Cedu Documentary

The Cedu Documentary, “Surviving Cedu,” tells the story of a half-dozen teenagers who were each sent to the Cedu School, variously described to them as a standard boarding school, a wilderness adventure school, or a therapeutic learning environment in the Western mountains of the United States.

Cedu Brochures

But the experience of the school was something entirely different. Students quickly found themselves in a new, strange, uncomfortable and often frightening world of intense group relationships and heightened, invasive and violent group therapies. Relationships at the school between students – and staff – seemed to have little formal structure or sense of normal boundary – and a student’s life was always under threat of intense and unpredictable disciplining and punishment.

The Cedu schools (one in California, and one in Idaho) were each located in a mountain wilderness, and students soon discovered that they were teenage captives, without identification or money, in an imposing geography they could not easily or safely negotiate or escape.


– San Bernardino Mountains, California

The real origins of the Cedu schools remained hidden from the students, their parents – and much of the staff – until years after their graduation or departure. At the heart of the Cedu program was a philosophy that had grown out of various self-help movements of the 1960s and ’70s, such as Lifespring, Werner Erhard’s EST, and most directly, from Charles E. Dederich’s “Synanon” cult, “church,” and street-level heroin-cure program. The Cedu Schools developed into an industry of sister schools, clones and copy-cats, that are now a multi-million dollar, international – and unregulated business.

Synanon 'Game' = Cedu The Rap/Game Circle
– Synanon and Cedu

“Surviving Cedu” follows the narratives of these students, 15 to 20 years after leaving, graduating or escaping from this unique, troubling and isolated world.

Clips from the documentary will be made available here and through video-sharing websites. The documentary is still in production. The schedule will be updated here.

Blogs and articles on the making and researching of the documentary can be found below.

Help build a biography of the Cedu program by leaving referenced (url, book title, etc) comments below. I will format referenced comments into the main page as we go on.

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Links and Further Reading

  • Cafety – dedicated to oversight and overhaul of the troubled “troubled teen industry.”
  • ASTART – an organization of professional psychologists and researchers who advocate for ethical regulation of the industry.
  • Fornits – a gathering place for survivors, grads and escapees of Cedu Schools and their clones.
  • Straight Incorporated - “The Synanon Church and the medical basis for the $traights”
  • Synanon Pages at the Rick Ross Cult Research Institute
  • Paul Morantz.com – A history of Synanon from the lawyer and cult expert who fought it, and lost, and won.
  • Brainwashing, Cults and Mind-Control – Definitions and discussion [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6].

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  • #1 written by Edward
    about 3 years ago

    RE: the Eulogy for MW.

    So weird the idea of saying nothing tangible or logical, yet at the same time appear to believe in it so very much. What precisely is the GIFT, Dan?

    • #2 written by GH
      about 2 years ago

      Liam – thanks for researching the origin of CEDU. The more I read about Synanon the more I see the light. It looks as if most of the propheets were based on The Trips and raps were indeed The Game. Wasserman added his own elements perhaps that will require more research. Shocking and bewildering we were sent to schools based on a cult that is referenced with Manson and the SLA. If our parents were aware of this I don’t believe the schools would have been possible. This is definately the big cover up!!! Great work and let us all continue to be balanced and seperate fact from fiction in our view of experiences at CEDU or its clones. Great work amigo. – G H from Cascade

  • #3 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    My parents were the same way. Mainly because I never said anything negative about it, in their minds anyway. I think it was hard for parents to send their kids away to have others raise them and then to later learn the place was an abusive cult may be far more difficult to accept.

    Once anyone delves deeper in to the history and methods used, few can come away thinking it was positive.

    I hope this parent does get back with you. Or is willing to take the time to learn more. There are plenty of survivors who still think it was just as grand as she describes. Many don’t really consider the tactics of abuse and humiliation they were subjected to. Which is why most, who say it was a positive experience, when pressed, really just admit they made some good friends and nothing more. Get in deeper about raps, propheets, crime and punishment and all the other chapters the Documentary covers and I think the perception is changed. But even deeper, learning the history and where all these methods spawned from and the number of places being shut down as more and more learn that they are abusive cults, derived from abusive cults, the picture becomes clearer.

    If she asks her son about specific things, she doesn’t need to have him decide if it was bad for her to make up her own mind about it. And I hope that is the case. I hope she takes the time, on her own, to make up her own mind. I would hope any parents or survivor or person in general could set aside previous perceptions and really delve in deep and decide.

    And it isn’t just the programs. It’s the history, the type of people who founded and ran and staffed these places, their mentalities, backgrounds, credentials, motives. It’s all a huge picture that seems blurred until you step back and look at it all and see it. The charlatans, the lack of experienced staff, people with criminal backgrounds, drug abuse issues, alcoholics, sex addicts, child molesters. People like this should not be forming programs or anywhere near teens.

    Just having a parent watch the “I want to Live” portion of the Documentary paints a pretty good picture. Nowadays programs have changed the names from Propheet to workshop, to all sorts of names, but from what I have been reading, the same Propheets are used in other programs and have remained fairly much the same. And in that chapter of the Documentary you listen to the former student reading from the Propheet scroll and his own journal and it is just nonsensical and bizarre and hard to follow. You really hear the cult language, with things like sculpting and so on which would not make much sense to outsiders. And when you explain to parents and survivors that sleep deprivation, hot and cold temperature changes to make kids freeze or sweat, with loud, blaring and repetitive music played, the endless screaming and how this is all well established as basic methods of torture and interrogation, who can argue that it wasn’t abusive? And that it was designed as such. That the people who created these programs didn’t make this stuff up themselves. They studied up on it all enough to have some basic idea of what they were doing. Maybe not the staff who came in to the programs later on, who maybe assumed it was all normal and proper. But those who founded the original programs, Synanon, EST, LifeSpring, CEDU, they knew.

    We know Mel Wasserman had been a part of those earlier programs and learned from them and created CEDU based on them and his own strange additions. None of this was random. A system of control and dominance, coercion and humiliation. And systems work on groups. Less on individuals. I suspect it is much easier to dominate a group than a single person. This is again why all programs are group oriented and not focused on individuals.

    Anyway, if she takes the time to research on her own and gets back with you I’d love to hear what she has learned as well. And if possible to learn what she was told about the program when she sent her child there, how she felt about the lack of communication allowed between parent and child. All of it.

  • #4 written by chris sims
    about 3 years ago

    Thank you Bill, Rob H., Ed for your insightful input. (Bill you are totally on top of it! Rob H. you were there as well and know the truth. Ed thank you for your concern and understanding of the horrors even though you were lucky enough to have not been in attendance.) Also, Liam thank you so much for taking the large amount of time and energy to devote to the illumination of this particular place of abuse and torment. Your documentary is long overdue. There is nothing better than bringing this crap to life and getting it off of our chest in order to free ourselves of its debilitating hooks. For so long no one has understood, and how could they. The Dan Earle’s and Mel Wasserman’s of this cult have spun Walt Disney rhetoric to teachers, health professional and parents, to name but a few, for what can only be termed a nightmare in Duetchland to the children who were subjected to their vision of what it means to lead a successful life.

    Once again, the truth shall set you free.

    Chris
    First new student at RMA 1982-1984

  • #5 written by chris sims
    about 3 years ago

    A Dan Earle experiential education episode:

    In November of 1982, roughly two months after having arrived at CEDU/RMA, the 15 to 20 students in attendance were told to assemble at the farm for an impromptu experiential. The whether was very cold. Northern Idaho. 20 degrees. At that time what later became the dorm known as Walden were Dan and Carmen’s electrified residence with hot running water. In the desolate field outside their residence there was a bucket filled with plumbing pipes about 12 inches in length. Dan informed us that we needed to really go for broke and not question the process of what we were doing. He then told us to remove our gloves and select a pipe from the bucket. He told us to clasp the freezing pipe in our bare hands. The pipe was very cold and my hands quickly became numb and turned red, a stinging sensation ran from the palm of my hands down to the tips of my fingers.

    When I tried to sit the metal pipe down on the ground because the pain was unbearable Dan and Carmen yelled at me and the other students who were experiencing extreme discomfort. This went on for another ten minutes. People were crying, yelling, some even refusing to “go for broke.”

    Finally we were told to put the pipes on the ground. There was a wash bin filled with freezing water, filled prior to our experiential assembly and sitting outside Dan and Carmen’s house.

    We were told to submerge our frozen hands in the water. It was funny but the cold water felt warm against my skin compared to the cold metal of the pipe combined with the chilling wind. They had us soak our hands for about five minutes.

    We were all very uncomfortable. It was late afternoon. Dusk turning to night in the cold Northern Idaho autumn. I felt like I had frostbite in the tips of my fingers. My hands, along with the rest of the student’s hands, were numb and blue.

    We were told not to give into negative thinking. To go for broke. We were very uncomfortable. Then Dan told us to remove our submerged hands from the chilling water and unbutton our coats. This was difficult because my fingers were frozen. I removed my coat and then we were told to take off our flannel shirts and long underwear down to our T-shirts.

    We were then instructed to lay down on the cold ground. Dan once again reiterated that we were to keep in mind that this was a growth experience, that we needed to stay focused and not engage in negative thinking. We lay on the ground shivering for about ten minutes, all the while being admonished for wanting to give up and resist the experiential education we were receiving.

    My body became numb and weak. Some people cursed and tried to go inside. Dan and Carmen told the people who were being resistive they were copping out, not even trying to trust what was happening.

    At the end of five to ten minutes, we were told to grab our jackets and gloves and go into the duplex and sit on the ground in a semicircle. I was blue. My hands and fingers hurt and stung badly as they thawed. We were all shivering profusely. The warmth inside the room made our skin ache. Our teeth chattered.

    Inside Dan and Carmen’s living room there was macrame hanging on the walls. Some potted plants. A golden retriever named Ishi spread out comfortably on the carpet. The room was very nicely appointed.

    The only furniture in the room were two overstuffed chairs in which Dan and Carmen presided. All of us sat strewn around the floor at their feet. They sipped hot tea from mugs and said nothing for the first few minutes of our thawing.

    Then the dialog began. It was angry and confrontational. Dan Earle began talking about how easily we all gave up, how we were unable to remain focused, how we were easily given over to negativity and let this thinking affect
    every aspect of our lives.

    Someone complained that we were being brainwashed. Dan answered with his usual canned response, “Your brain could use some washing!”

    From there it all broke down into a confrontational blur. Carmen could match Dan for loudness and intensity. She sat on the edge of her chair and spewed invective:
    “Each and everyone of you shit on your innerchild child everyday! You cover him with lies and mistrust when all he wanted to do is play and have fun. That little boy or girl had no sense of mistrust, but look at how you mistrust this exercise. You do this everyday to yourself and everyone around you….” etc.

    Perhaps this is what Dan was referring to in his eulogy to Mel:

    “The development and application of an ‘emotional growth curriculum’ based on the sequence of a child’s development created an opportunity for adolescents to review their past in developmental stages and complete missed tasks, thus leading them to a solid sense of self.”

    Chris
    First new student at RMA 1982-1984

    • #6 written by GH
      about 2 years ago

      Chris I was the first new student at Cascade School 84-87 founded by students and faculty from CEDU. An unusual coincidence. Cascade had faculty from RMA and CEDU. My support to all the kids who went through difficult times. My view is these programs were a product of the JUST SAY NO / AA / NEW AGE / hypocrisy morphed from the 70′s to 80′s and getting more bizarre and twisted in the 90′s. Bad philosophy and scratch the surface therapy strewn together from many sources. Our parents really sucked to let it come to this. What astonishes me is how little our parents cared for our well being. Problem is the praents believed in most of the same new age crap at home. Wassermen had to have some ego to design propheets. That is some mentally bizarre psychology totally unnescessary for youth. Cascade was founded two years later than RMA. I heard from old students there may have been a falling out from CEDU perhaps based on some type of power struggle amongst staff. Cascade may have been built to avoid some of the negatives of abuse developing in CEDU. From what I can see Cascade had the same problems with unaccredited staff and abuse of power that we see happen again and again in all facets of society today. Again to me the shock is parents that would send children to these schools and act oblivious to the abusive therapy which was obvious. We had problems in the first place because of terrible parenting and then told at the school that it was all our fault. The two worked well together and made bad parents go on with there lives in justification. The money spent was astronomical way overpriced considering all the labor we did for the school. Like many of you I haven’t thought about the school in a long time and the memories start to pour out. Learn from the experience there were positive elements as well as negative. Life happens and we the students of these schools had a unique education beyond explanation.

  • #7 written by Michele Fingland
    about 3 years ago

    Bill ~ Did you say you were at CEDU beginning the Summer of 1984? I was taken there (tricked by a parent as most probably were) in July 1984 and split in late October of that same year. Although only there for a season, the comments have brought back so many memories. I have wondered what happened to some folks that attended with me.

    Liam ~ Thank you for your anticipated documentary. I kept a diary through my stay and now that I am adult, am more horrified that CEDU continued for so many years after. A small group of us used to say to eachother “when I split this place, I swear I am going to bust CEDU wide open.” Thank you for do just that with your work. It’s funny, I don’t recall most of the names of the staff except for Lori (in Genesis) another guy who was quite popular as a leader of Genesis – had a little hotdog/dochshund dog who followed him everywhere. The two heads I never got to know left shortly after I got there. Remember having to scrub their large bathtub one day which I resented deeply. There was a piece-of-work husband and wife team that would lead (separately) the raps… think they were heads of Quest?

    They were terrible and confessed former thiefs. As far as the students, I was fortunate enough to reconnect with my friend Danny Taylor once back in LA – just a fluke that we connected through mutual friends in a band. He was my only anchor there-truly. The only one I could count on and would not “crack” under CEDU influence – very tough and genuine. I don’t know where he is now. I remember the “new guy” who came in from AZ – and I let him down when he found out about my plans to split with “metal chick” Cathy – endearing term as she was once a great friend too. I really to this day, feel bad about that because he was an amazingly great guy. Eventually, Cathy chose to go her own way and our “split contract” was busted wide open in a rap. Danny, Eric and I made a plan to escape at 2:20 a.m. on Sunday.

    Sundays were sleep in days so figured we would all well be down the mountain by daybreak. Only when I snuck outside to our meeting place with my dinner knife and by box of cornflakes, there was no Danny or Eric. It was “do or die” and I decided to make the trek myself. I hitched 1 ride to the base of the mountain/gas station, checked out a map and hitched two more rides to Anaheim….. anyways…. mother still wanted me to return to CEDU and I split once more from home and then she got the drift that in no circumstances would I be returning to that place. Something in me knew it was inheritantly wrong. Extremely difficult to keep your own mind.

    My kindergarten friend, Ann Swepston (sp?) showed up at CEDU when I was there – wonder what happend to her. She was very nice, and not part of the “underground.” Marcy with her guitar and plans for Europe. Sharon “the narc” (a few groups ahead of us)…. Drina Diniro (my designated older sister – before she moved to the other campus)….. Thank you for all your stories posted here. ~ Michele

  • #8 written by Chris
    about 3 years ago

    Dear Chris,

    Words just aren’t adequate to express to you our joy that you are doing so well. I knew that you were going to “get your life back”and wondered every day if this would be the day. Chris, I read your Dad’s email after he had sent it to you and I want to give you my thoughts on his comments about looking back and especially about Cedu. He was always conflicted about Cedu-RMA and wished that we had been more informed about it. It was very difficult, emotionallly, for us to send you there and we were constantly second guessing the situation – he was very often angry so I was always trying to put a positive spin on it even though I was very scared and confused also. Please don’t ever think that we took lightly that you were so far away from us because we missed you terribly and we hoped that it would be a good, positive experience for you. I have a tendancy to look back and say “what if” and for many years dad and mom’s divorce was a source of hurt and anger that I couldn’t shake. I finally stopped dwelling on it because I can’t change the past but I can live fully and optimistically daily. However, if it is helpful for you to look back on your CEDU years I hope you will try to do so with the goal of healing and maybe even realizing that it was an experience that maybe, in the final analysis, has made you a stronger more interesting person. I think that is the best we can do with our lives. Please, please be as positive as possible and look forward. You are still young and very bright so from now on make the most of your life! I love you, mom

    Forward

  • #9 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    My parents speak almost exactly the same way, when I ask them what they knew, or what they felt about RMA. Positive spin. I blame them for a lot, but I know these programs prey on parents and they are good at it. Thirty to forty years, you get pretty decent at something.

    This makes me wonder how most kids arrived at RMA and CEDU? I for one, was not really told anything. Just that I was going to Idaho to attend a new school. Nothing about therapy was mentioned. But it wasn’t a huge surprise. I was in juvenile hall for three weeks, they had me leaving three times a week to see a “family” psychologist, who had never worked with kids before, but my parents had used him, so nobody questioned this. And during my visits, they made it clear from day one I was not coming home. That I would have to plead guilty in court, then accept this out of state placement. And that I would be in Idaho till my 18th birthday or graduation. But in three weeks, I had no input on where I was going. I wasn’t told it would be therapeutic. Only that they had no homework assignments. This was my parents issue. I was not doing all of my homework, so they wanted a place where they thought I could get a High School diploma.

    Secret Harbor and Provo Canyon were the other two choices, but they weren’t clear about academics so RMA was the choice. CEDU was discarded because they felt I would possibly have run away if I was in the state of California. As though the extra six hundred miles from Idaho would have deterred me.

    I just get the feeling my parents didn’t know much about the therapeutic aspects of the program, and probably didn’t care really. I wasn’t being sent for drug use, alcohol use or partying or doing anything wild. Just for grades and homework. And I bet that RMA told them what they wanted to hear.

    I have read through some of the correspondence my parents sent back and forth with the school while I was there and all of it focused on what classes I was taking, what my attendance record was, completion of assignments. Nothing else. When RMA was asking if I could go on ski trips or get a mountain bike, my parents didn’t think any of this was useful to passing classes. So I am pretty sure the therapy stuff was not discussed. And during visits, school was all they were interested in hearing about.

    In the Documentary, many kids didn’t know what the school was going to be like either. They may have known they were going, or thought they were just going to tour a campus, with the choice of saying no a possibility. For me, I don’t think my parents had any clue about what was really going to be happening up there. They had one goal in mind, a diploma, and anything else was fine so long as it led to that goal.

    I think this is why when I talk to them about it today and question what they knew, it all seems vague to them, unclear, because they weren’t focused on therapy. Yet, when I graduated with a diploma, it wasn’t enough. I didn’t get to come home, go to the college a block away as my other siblings did, a JC that has an automatic transfer program to UC Berkeley, they were done with me. They told me on graduation day, good luck, you’re on your own. So to this day, I get the impression RMA didn’t send glowing appraisals and updates. I think my parents believe I barely got my diploma, nearly failing and that the few disciplinary actions against me were blown out of proportion and left them with the sense that I was still some horrible person. For missing homework assignments. And that clearly college was out of the question, well beyond my intellectual capacity. So if healing was supposed to have taken place, from my parents perspective, it didn’t. And therefore from my perspective, it didn’t. Ironic, considering I pretty much got straight A’s at RMA.

    Chris, your parents both sounded conflicted. Your mother may have hid that better than your father, but obviously something didn’t quite sit right with them. I think this is why they were able to get parents to send their kids there. They told them the program was whatever they needed it to be. Sold it to them as a last chance. Death or jail being the only other options for you. And that once in, the lack of communication and positive updates helped to keep you there. Reading my parents letters to RMA, I got the sense they were begging for information. My mothers letters specifically would say things like, “This is the fifth letter I am writing in regards to getting information on the class work of my son…” So they weren’t being told much. They had to pry information out of the school.

    So perhaps we weren’t told where we were going because our parents weren’t quite sure either. And because we all probably weren’t quite sure what to tell them, during the program and after, shell-shocked as we were from the experience and full of a false belief we actually had been a part of something profound…our parents had to assume for years afterward that we had been cured. That somehow all the money they spent, even with a lack of communication and information, all worked out. I know that I didn’t begin discussing RMA until at least a decade after my graduation. Which is why my parents always believed it worked. Just not enough for me to have come home.

  • #10 written by Aaron Donovan
    about 3 years ago

    After have been told countless times over the years about a staff member at the Cedu farm center for wayward kids, i journeyed over to this staff members’ web site and was surprised to see such a prolific fine artist.

    My friend was a recovering mind camper previously stationed at the Cedu farm in Idaho when i met him. Now and again my friend would tell me tales from some picturesque snow globe of a landscape that hosted the Cudu compound. Often my mind would wonder over to that camp, trying to recreate the drama as my friend began to untie the the bits and pieces of trauma he experienced at the hands of the camps’ overlords that were knotted up inside him. This was hard to do because it all sounded so unbelievable, good thing my friend shared his history at the Cedu mind farm with such clever detail to me to keep me engaged and unable to forget his experiences. I don’t fully think my friend believed his own senses as we laughed over the techniques used by said adult instructors.

    So i looked up one of this camps’ former officers web site (dan-earle.com) and would like to offer a brief account of what i find to be behind the veneer of his harmless looking facade by looking at his art.

    “A counselor once said that he is the kind of person that can walk into crowded room and within a short time grasp the emotional tenor of the people both as individuals and as a symphony.” states the opening paragraph of his web site biography. I find this an interesting statement because this is something Albert Speer has said about his fuhrer when writing his biography in that tiny prison cell for twenty odd years.

    I will focus only on the bronze cast sculptures, these are clearly his best works, and are accompanied with text. His drawings and paintings are at best student work, and have not reached any level of interesting ideas that i might note except for some minute hints at symbolism.

    I don’t want to rip on the guy so i will let him do it for me. Take a look at the sculpture called Epiphany. A woman has entered a symbolic portal of womanhood/puberty, disrobed, ready to experience the joy of her new body with us as voyeurs. She is her own woman where taboos, culture and parents are abandoned. She is ready and willing to take on whomever she wants and abandon any missionary styled mentality, baring it all and barely legal. Lets just hope she doesn’t return through that door and tell her parents.

    Now look at The Journey. This piece is a hand above another hand, both severed at the wrist. Historically the hand on the top is represented as giving, and is always the owner of the hand on the bottom. From my perspective, the hand on the bottom is a child while the other is adult. Here are his words to sum up the situation: “The Journey is our life. The hands represent all those that we have touched, reached out to, been influenced by and loved by. They reflect tender moments of connection by these powerfully expressive human tools.” What do you think he meant by “touched” and “connection”, being a Cedu representative?

    Now take a lookie at the piece named “Naked Knowledge”. Here we find a man sitting nude on a large book. Whenever we find a book that dwarfs the human we must assume the book is of importance, representing authority and law. We find the artist sitting on this book smudging the pages with his backside. Do we see a man who is against the social norms and acceptable behavior of his peers? Someone who wants to write his own rules?
    Lastly lets scroll over to “Amazing Grace”. Technically very good, but why did he have to start spitting out words to try and convince us he is not a racist? Answer: Because he probably is.

    I see someone in these artworks who is angry, and against everything that is a barring the artist from his pleasures. Despite the humanistic, touchy-feely, way these pieces were modeled, I see an attitude of arrogance against the viewer and everything the viewer ignorantly represents. I see an individualist who fears the crowd unless he is conducting its movements. He is a great fan of the sculptor Rodan and shows some influence in his works, even praising him. Rodan said that the vulgar is masked behind the pretty, and someone who is afraid to face the ugly, and the truth is in fact the vulgar.

  • #11 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    Good insight Aaron.

    When you consider the earlier posts regarding Dan Earle’s womanizing, it is somewhat revealing he focuses a lot on nude females. And many of those involve faceless women. With all of the blurred imagery in some many pieces, kind of makes you wonder if all those women are just a blur as well.

    Clearly he does not possess any natural artistic talents, stealing from those who came before him like Rodan. Much as his mentor, Mel Wasserman did. And he didn’t feel compelled to go to an actual art school but instead taught himself. This makes me wonder if he ever got that Masters degree or just pretends.

    I definitely see where he is obsessed with women and obsessive about sexual imagery. The casting off of inhibitions and exploration of their sexuality. How very 1960′s. He tries to hard to describe everything he does as being very deep and bold, yet I only see nude woman. And knowing who Dan is, that doesn’t surprise me.

    I love your insights in each piece. They seem spot on to me.

  • #12 written by Liam
    about 3 years ago

    Well, I wouldn’t say he doesn’t have talent. He’s got artistic talent and skill, and I don’t find his sculptures offensive. I don’t mind nudes, or even sexually explicit art. You can’t steal talent. He might be a poopcicle, but, you know, talent is talent.

    And if he’s a perv, then it’s better that he do it in clay and stone, instead of to teenagers. That said, there should be a criminal case for of what he actually did.

    Try to keep it focused, if you can, on that stuff, although I do understand the need to stretch out, and I think you’re all writing some great great stuff.

  • #13 written by Liam
    about 3 years ago

    I mean, if it’s any consolation, Hitler had a little talent. Does it redeem him?

  • #14 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    I think a lot of people wish Hitler had stuck with the art thing and didn’t pursue the politics thing. Or that Mel had stayed a furniture salesman.

    I think the anger comes from knowing what Dan did to so many kids for so many years, what he was an integral part of for so long, and to see him quietly enjoying a retirement after all the pain he caused so many, irks some of us. I for one would rather his retirement be spent in an 8×10 cell. They let you paint in prison too.

  • #15 written by Robert A
    about 3 years ago

    First of all, this is going to come off sounding cheesy, but here goes…
    I watched Gone Baby Gone last night (I know, I know…)

    In the end, Casey Affleck’s character has to make a tough choice about the former retired Boston Chief of Police (Morgan Freeman’s character). After all the good he’s done for the city and the area and the personal suffering he went through; his daughter being the victim of rape, kidnap and murder, does he deserve to do something wrong if its ultimately for “the greater good”? This is the main motivator of the chain of events throughout the movie, although its not revealed til the end.

    If you haven’t seen the movie, I won’t spoil it for you, but I think that I would have to come down on the side of Casey’s character and say he made the right choice, even if it had bad consequences. Where does justification take you? How much good does it take to outweigh the bad?

    I wrestle with this daily. My past is full of tough choices and things I have had to get past, including Cedu, a genocidal warzone and being attacked by a psychotic.

    I believe that people must pay the consequences for their bad actions.

    I also believe that forgiveness is a big part of spiritual transformation, and maybe just becoming an adult in our society. I’ve had to dig deep in that well to be where I’m at now, a Friend in the Hands of God. A Quaker, in laymen’s terms. It’s really hard to let go of that hate and vengeful thinking, but it just eats you up otherwise and keeps you from moving on to the good things. Its also tougher to find the commonality that binds us rather than that which divides us, but in the end, that’s what keeps our humanity intact.

  • #16 written by Chris
    about 3 years ago

    It is my hope that we could positively pursue avenues to see that the people who perpetrated this emotional and physical abuse against children could have charges bought against them for their past actions. That would certainly be a positive step towards healing and a major stepping stone to keeping all of our humanity intact. Otherwise these clone programs will just keep popping up with their half-baked replication inflicting their therapy for an extreme profit motive and the further determent to children’s lives.

    Chris
    CEDU/RMA 82-84

  • #17 written by Liam
    about 3 years ago

    Chris, Indeed! Well said.

    Rob, beautifully expressed and thoughtful, as always. On “Gone, Baby Gone,” I thought it was a good movie, myself. I’ll have to see it again to recall the finale; praise be to Ben Affleck (!) who directed a fine and troubling film.

  • #18 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    I agree also that it would be nice to see justice happen so that these programs find it hard, if not impossible to remain open if similar program methods are employed.

    I am not against therapy, but I think most of us agree that what we went through was not therapy. If a program opened up that offered legitimate help to kids without any abuse, humiliation or guilt, that might be a good thing.

    The two topics are justice and forgiveness so I will address both. Forgiveness is a tough one for me. My mother is a Quaker and has never seemed to have forgiven me for my youth so I am not sure it is part of their religion. I have always believed forgiveness is an individual thing. Each person must decide if they will forgive on their own. Many survivors I have heard from make the statement that they don’t feel any of the staff were out to “intentionally” cause us harm, therefore what they did wasn’t quite so bad. I can agree with the concept that someone who intentionally seeks to cause harm is not as bad as someone who does it inadvertently, however I can’t accept that none of these adults didn’t have some inkling that what they were doing to us wasn’t good. That all of them didn’t know any better. As kids, our first reactions said something was up and it didn’t feel right. I find it hard to believe no staff member had the same questioning going on inside them.

    Just take a propheet for instance. Don’t most parents have a natural tendency to over react when it comes to protecting their children? They won’t let you go outside when it is cold without a coat or sweater, right? So how could all of these adults turn down the heat, open the doors and windows to make the room freezing, and then calmly collect our warm clothes and make them vanish in to another room, specifically to make us cold and uncomfortable and not know that was wrong? Not know precisely what they were doing?

    Or take sleep. Most parents when they see their child sitting in front of a television set at 2am with their child nodding, trying to stay awake will say, “I think it is time for bed.” They shut the TV off and make you go upstairs and sleep. They don’t try and keep you awake longer. I cannot picture any normal parents sending you to your room without supper, turning off the heat, opening doors and windows and then forcing you to stay awake all night. That would be absolutely bizarre. So I think adults would have to come in to a situation like this knowing that it was wrong.

    And food. Most parents would sense that their child is hungry. Or know when they last ate a full meal. They wouldn’t deny it to them unless I suppose it was meant as a punishment, such as go to your room without supper. Nor would a parent likely deny a child access to the bathroom if the child said they had to go. And also, if their child was crying and saying they were really, really hungry, most parents would back down and give them the supper. Because the punishment is meant as a lesson, not to damage.

    So even setting aside the blaring and repetitive music, the psychological trauma that took place, the cold, the sleep deprivation, the food denial, the bathroom denial… Most adults would know these were wrong. Thus this perception that they didn’t do harm to us intentionally, is bogus. They knew, just as we knew when our guts told us the smushing with adults, the raps, the forced labor didn’t sit right. We knew, and they knew. And as adults, we expect they have a better sense of judgment than we kids would have.

    And then consider explaining these methods to a program parents. “We’re going to take your kid in to a room late at night, with no warning, when they would normally think they were about to go to sleep. We are going to turn down the heat and open the doors and windows so it gets really cold, and remove their warm clothing from their possession so they will shiver and be very uncomfortable. Because it is late at night and they will be exhausted after a full day of hard labor, we are going to help keep them awake using loud and repetitive music, we will be screaming at them and keeping them involved. Their energy levels will eventually deplete because of the exhaustion, and oh, did we mention we won’t be feeding them all night so they continue to lack energy…?”

    What parent wouldn’t have pulled their kid then and there?

    So there was a need to for this stuff to be kept a secret from the parents. And if they knew they needed to keep it a secret, they knew it was wrong. So again, the claim they didn’t set out to intentionally cause harm falls apart.

    So forgiveness, for me at least, is difficult to give when I consider it was done intentionally and that they knew.

    As for justice, I feel there’s two versions. Justice in seeing staff, current or former, charged with crimes. We cannot, as a society, allow child abuse to go unpunished. The other version relates to the programs. They need to be brought to justice, shut down if using these same kinds of tactics, and real regulations put in place to prevent similar programs from opening up or remaining in business. And oversight. We never saw Child Protective Services at RMA or CEDU, and I think we should have. At least one visit a year would have been realistic. But the justice is seeing these places shut down, charges being brought against staff and parent companies. I don’t want to see these huge conglomerates or their directors get off either. You try and make a buck abusing kids, you go to jail. I will forgive you later if I am in the mood. Do the time first, then we’ll talk.

  • #19 written by chris sims
    about 3 years ago

    In the fall of 1982 during the one impromptu propheet that Mel Wasserman facilitated along with Dan and Carmen Earle an interesting incident involving my grandfather occurred.

    I didn’t find this out until after the Mel Wasserman propheet, but I wondered why, as all of us did, the Bonners Ferry police department had arrived in the early afternoon in the middle of the propheet and was snooping around the property.

    Apparently, at some time before noon while we were being yelled at, and were being encouraged to yell at empty chairs of our parents to let the invisible specter of our parents know how much we hated them, my grandfather from Baton Rouge, Louisiana arrived in his truck to visit me. He was very into hunting and he had lived in Alberta, Canada for a number of years in the 70′s after retiring.

    My grandfather was perhaps the only person who ever stood up to the RMA/Cedu double speak while I was in attendance at the school.

    He was a no nonsense person. From a different generation. Not hip or even remotely confused by the hollow lingo of California pop psychology

    He told me years later, he passed away a few years ago, that he arrived at the gates of the property to RMA in his truck. He had been in Canada for two months hunting moose and he had their carcasses strapped over the roof of his camper shell wrapped in packing to prevent the meat from spoiling.

    My grandfather said upon arriving at the gate of the school he found the gate shut and blocked with big rocks so that no one could enter the property. He said he rolled some of the rocks away and nudged the gate open with the bumper of the truck.

    I had no idea that my grandfather was on the property.

    The staff noticed the intruding vehicle driving up the long road to the lodge and sent down 450-pound Neal Wesson, who had been one of the Little Rascals back in the early to mid 30′s and had worked for Mel since the early 70′s, to deal with the situation.

    My grandfather told me, after the fact, “Some big fat guy came down and told me that you were in a very special experience and that if I bothered you right then it would disturb the growth you were experiencing and might negatively impact the very special experience you were having. He told me I could come back the next day and see you. I said, ‘That’s my grandson in there, and I just came all the way from Louisiana and I’ve got moose on the truck that are going to go bad. I came way out of my way to see my grandson and you better let me see him.’”

    My grandfather told me that the fat man then told him that it was impossible, so my grandfather told him that he had a shotgun in the truck and that if they harmed one hair on my head he would blow his head off.

    At this point, still unbeknown to me, Neal went upstairs where we were engaged in our propheet and pulled Dan Earle and Mel Wasserman to the side and explained to them the situation.

    The way my grandfather told it, “The first one didn’t work, so after I scared him, he went inside and got this real slick talking fellow (Dan Earle). He thought he was real smooth and was a little more convincing. He told me I could come back tomorrow, said something again about a real special experience. I, once again, told him that I had only a short amount of time, that I couldn’t wait until the next day. But he refused to let me see you.

    “I didn’t know what to do. I’d never heard of a place that would deny a family member access to their grandchild. So I drove into Bonners Ferry and went directly to the sheriffs and explained to them that there was this place in the woods, not far from town, that was keeping my grandson from seeing me. I told them they were doing something strange and I could hear loud music coming out of the building and the sound of people crying. I told them that I was worried about the welfare of my grandson and I asked them if they had any information about this place Rocky Mountain Academy.

    “They told me that they had never heard of it before. They said they had no idea that there was a boarding school for troubled children operating near Bonners Ferry. They said this was the first they had been told of its existence.”

    My grandfather said he gave them the location and told them he thought it was some kind of a cult. The sheriffs promised they would immediately go and check into the place.

    I could see through the large windows that overlooked the main lodge when multiple police cars arrived on the property. Mel called Dan over and in hushed tones said something. Dan and Carmen went downstairs and talked with the police.

    We were told that we could take a two hour brake and were instructed to be polite to the police if they said anything to us and told to remember we weren’t allowed to discuss the experience we were going through with anyone who had not sat in it with us. Mel quickly ran through a generalized speech about the police and how some of us had old tapes regarding our dealings with them and that we needed to refrain from any conversation with them that was anything other than polite because the police were no longer our enemies. Then Mel disappeared through the back door down to his residence not to reappear again until some four hours later when the propheet was over and the cops were gone.

    In the meantime, the deputy sheriffs made their way all over campus accompanied by a very congenial Dan and Carmen Earle (everywhere, that is, except for Mel’s residence).

    I was smoking a cigarette on the porch and at one point they passed me and Dan said, “Here’s one of our students” and I smiled and introduced myself. I was a bit taken aback by the police’s suspicious demeanor, but I figured it didn’t have anything to do with me.

    In fact the tour took so long, the smoothing over of the edges, that the propheet was cut short.

    That day we were never told why the police were there.

    It wasn’t until the next day that I was informed by Dan Earle that my grandfather had been on the campus the previous day and had been the cause of all the police activity due to his complaint at the sheriffs department. Dan made it seem as though it was really no big deal, and told me that my grandfather was just older and his generation just didn’t understand the kind of beautiful experience we were going through.

    I was shocked and sad. I couldn’t believe I missed my grandfather, that he had been tricked by the spin doctors at RMA. I secretly wondered what would have happened if he would have seen me, and, sadly, I fantasized for many months after that he might return and take me away from that horrible place.

    But it didn’t stop there.

    The sheriffs department must have felt something strange was happening in the woods near Bonners Ferry, Idaho. They returned the next evening and had a look around the school again.

    In fact they returned nearly every week for a month, and even ate dinner with us on several occasions, until Dan and Carmen finally convinced them that what was happening was not odd or out of the ordinary.

    After that, the staff always laughed and told the house the funny story of when my grandfather had gotten them in hot water with the local authorities.
    Dan Earle said my grandfather was responsible for initiating there public relations campaign with the Bonners Ferry Sheriffs Department.

    For years after I graduated from RMA my grandfather would have me tell the story to family members, many of whom felt he had overstepped his bounds. He would say, “You know your grandfather loves you. I went right to the sheriffs and told them those people wouldn’t let me see my grandson and something wasn’t right and they had never even heard of that place before.”

    This was in the fall of 1982 during the first few months of RMA’s opening.

    It sure would be interesting to see that police report.

    Chris Sims
    RMA 82-84

  • #20 written by Robert A
    about 3 years ago

    That is an awesome story! I wish the cops had kept prying a little further, maybe even sent in a younger looking plant/informer with fake parents.
    It would’ve saved some kids from years of trauma. Oh well.

  • #21 written by Robert A
    about 3 years ago

    I see that my point has been twisted a bit. To be expected, I guess, with so many emotions being dealt with.
    First of all, Bill, forgiving is not necessarily forgetting, somethings can’t be forgotten, but hopefully you can still move on a bit from them and live your life.
    I would never say what they did was right, nor were they above justice. Just because some time has passed, schools have closed and some have been brought to justice, doesn’t mean that justice has been fully won. I agree with you.
    You’re preaching to the choir. Really, stop trying to convince me. Ask Liam, ask Heather. I’m all about what CAFETY is doing. I hope more regulation can be brought to bear, and if they insist on taking away kids rights, and can’t operate within regulations and safety of the children they’re entrusted with, they need to be shut down.
    On a personal level, yes, I needed to let go to move on. If you feel that you can’t let go, that’s your choice you will live with. I just happen to feel that it’s a disproportionate amount of energy that I don’t want to waste anymore. I don’t want to HATE anybody or anything and I don’t want to teach that to my daughter.
    As far as your mother goes, I don’t know that there’s any one document that states you MUST forgive in the Quaker faith, but it seems pretty inherent in the spirit of the religion. But, there are many different interpretations of how you can live your life in the faith, just as in Christianity as a whole. I really don’t have an answer for you on that one, because I can’t imagine rejecting hate, violence, aggression and other such ill feelings and still justifying holding on to a grudge; not being able to forgive your own son. That is not congruent with the faith as I understand it, so I’m at a loss as to what her deal is. I could see how this could cloud your perception and cause you to feel the way you do.
    It may be confusing, but…
    I don’t think everything that happened at Cedu/RMA should just be swept under the rug and forgotten, nor can I devote venomous energy to pursuing them and wishing them harm. So, I approve what Liam is doing because its something I can’t do. It brings the whole sordid history to light and exposes all the dirty secrets. It lets people make up their own minds about what happened, why it happened and if it should continue to happen elsewhere.
    Hopefully, this clears up where I’m coming from.

  • #22 written by Rob H
    about 3 years ago

    There does seem to be alot of chatter about bringing the evil doers to justice , along with alot of hyperventelating and loud violin music playing the background.[Though it beats John Lennon anytime.] If the goal is A. some kind of monitary payment.or B. an 8 by 10 cell for the evildoers , how do we really get there? Is evidence in the form of stories going to cut it?

  • #23 written by Rob H
    about 3 years ago

    Not that a good pity party isn’t worthwhile in itself. Sadly, my view of things was formed by my own culpibility in the process of how I got to cedu. Pracilla Blake and dr buchalottio recomended only Anaawakee for me . During my parents tour of the facilities they were not allowed to inspect the inside of one building and my mother decided that was a deal breaker. I was told that I had to go somewhere [I was very unmotivated/depressed]My mother and I toured Desisto in Florida and we mutualy agreed after seeing a girl led about on a rope with a sign on her that read ‘I am a whore’ that this wasn’t the place. Cedu really fooled me at first glance , A big ski lodge with a fine library and happy, hugging people every where. I knew it wasnt as bad as those other places and indeed Anaawakee was closed down for the staff sodamising the inmates. 20 victims recieved half a million apiece. So I envy those who were kidnapped in the middle of the night, they can blame others.I have no one to blame but myself.

  • #24 written by Chris
    about 3 years ago

    Telling the story is a very important aspect. Without the story there is nothing. It is the only thing that matters. The story takes precedent over everything else.

    I am in total agreement that definitive steps need to be taken, and, as for myself, I have plenty of time and energy to devote to this purpose. It, as I’m sure with everyone who went through this experience and who is currently having it visited upon them, is tantamount to my emotional health and sanity.

    There is a tendency to say lets move on and live our lives and quit dwelling in the past. I totally understand this.

    But reducing this experience, which is often embarrassing and difficult to revisit, to trivialities is dangerous. We are all grown now and many of us have children of our own
    and what happened when we were children sometimes seems like incidents very distant and long ago – incidents that need to be resolved internally so we can move on with our lives and quit dwelling in the past, crying over spilled milk so to speak.

    To a degree this is true. We can not let ourselves become embittered, which for many years I was, by what happened at CEDU/RMA. But expressing opinions and memories about what happened at that particular time when we were all students at CEDU/RMA is anything but wallowing in our misery. Anyone who takes the time to add to this totem in regards to his or her experience is taking a step in the direction which leads to understanding and sorting through this mess.

    In short you can not expect everyone to be willing to move on and bury these experience in an embracing of happiness and joy in their present day lives. There are many different levels of damage that young people experienced at this school and its clones, and, once again, lets not forget that these places are still in operation in one form or another.

    The new year is upon us and I think we are all moving in the right direction. It is important not to quibble about the way in which certain feelings about this place are represented. What is important is that we remain consistent in our need to express these things so that places like CEDU/RMA become exactly that: a historical curiosity from some time in the distant past.

    How do we get there is a very important question.

    Chris Sims
    CEDU/RMA 82-84

  • #25 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    I am sorry Robert A. if you thought I was preaching to you or trying to convince you, personally, of anything. I was merely commenting on what you wrote and how I interpreted it. We seem to agree on a lot of points, that these programs are harmful, that we wish we could shut them down, that some justice would be nice.

    One purpose of this site and the documentary is to communicate. To tell our stories, get it out there so others can get a sense of what we went through and hopefully get some of these related programs shut down. Everyone gets to interpret what they see here and come to their own conclusions.

    When I responded to your Gone Baby Gone post, I was mostly trying to bring my reply around to the subjects I hear so often, which is that a lot of survivors seem to give staff a free ride by saying they didn’t do it to us intentionally, and how I believe they did. That they had to have known.

    And you had discussed forgiving and forgetting, and Quakers, and I commented that my own mother is a Quaker and hadn’t forgiven me for events of 25 years ago. In fact, as recently as 2002 I located my birth family. I am adopted. Within a few months, my adopted family, Quaker mother included, were trying to convince (With great success) my birth family that I was still a horrible person because I missed some homework assignments when I was 12. I am 41 years old now. My point was that it would be nice for forgiveness to take place. The lack of it certainly damaged my relationship with my birth family. Holding grudges and anger for twenty five years hasn’t helped things obviously. In fact, the damage they caused to my relationship with my birth family had brought on even more anger.

    Whereas time can heal wounds, it doesn’t help when the wounds are agitated further. In my case, twenty five years later, it was all coming out again. It is hard for me to move on and forgive when it is not in the past, but still in the present. And I blame the program for that. They did not update my parents when I was there about my positive developments, so when I graduated, my parents still thought I was worthless. And held that position from 1986 till 2002. I actually thought I was paranoid these last twenty five years, thinking my parents thought poorly of me, until 2002 came around. And that’s when I decided to hire a real psychologist, to help me figure out a way to change all that. And it is working.

    It is damn hard for me to forgive what they did. My birth mother hasn’t spoken to me in six years and neither has my birth father. But whereas members of my adopted family held these views for so long, healing is taking place. Those relationships are now moving in a more positive direction. Whatever perceptions they once held, are being left in the past and they are starting to deal with me as the man I am today, not as a child. But it is still hard for me to know I have a birth mother out there that won’t speak to me, thinks I am a delusional crazy kid who might harm her. I know who put those thoughts in her head and forgiving those people is not easy because the problem still exists.

    I know forgetting is next to impossible. Perhaps when I am ninety and senile that might be possible.

    I guess what I am trying to say is that forgiveness is not needed for progress to be made. Moving on, moving forward isn’t the same as forgiving. I have managed to move on from some of the events of 2002. I have managed to change the relationships I have to a more positive heading. I didn’t need to forgive what was done.

    In that same context, I have moved on from Rocky Mountain Academy. What was done to me then doesn’t really have much bearing or impact on me today. But I haven’t forgiven what was done mainly because those same things are still being done today to other kids. And I certainly cannot forget what they did to us either. For me the positive change would be to get places like these shut down. Not forgive and forget. To shine a light on what staff former and current have done and are still doing, so others who have the authority to investigate and take action, do so.

    So being able to move on and live my life today I don’t think requires me to forgive anyone. Rocky Mountain Academy doesn’t hold me back. I actually find it quite a healing experience to discuss what happened and how we can stop it from continuing to happen to others.

  • #26 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    Chris,

    That story about your grandfather arriving at RMA is too cool. It just goes to show that they had a vested interest in maintaining secrecy about the program. Keeping your grandfather out and not letting him see what was going on. Coddling the police so they would think everything was wonderful.

    Your grandfather knew immediately something was up. He knew that a school that denies contact between parents and their kids has to be wrong. He heard the loud music and crying and didn’t hesitate.

    I am surprised the police did not force the school to allow your grandfather to see you, just to calm him and let him see you were alright. But considering how many students ran away each year and how the police never seemed to be too curious about why so many kids from such a small school would run away, I guess in hindsight it can’t be too surprising.

    That the staff had to admonish all of you not to speak about what went on in the Propheet, while at the same time shutting the Propheet down immediately so the police could not observe, is very revealing. If nothing bad was taking place, why the need for secrecy? If this was all good and healthy, why not advertise that by showing everyone?

    By the way, were you old enough to be legally smoking? I always wondered why nobody acted on the fact that all of these kids were smoking despite it being illegal for most of them to be doing so. I understand why the school provided cigarettes, I just think a police officer watching dozens of kids smoking would be a little curious and want to possibly ask a few how old they were. How did they get away with that from a legal standpoint?

    Great story. Happy New Year!

  • #27 written by Chris
    about 3 years ago

    I’m just wondering…

    Briefly does anyone know of any attempts to contact the Bonners Ferry’s DA or Running Spring’s DA in regards to holding those in charge of this debacle responsible for their actions? I don’t believe there is a statute of limitations in regards to child abuse. This would certainly be a positive step in the right direction.

    I also remember the San Jose Mercury News had an article in the paper ten years ago that indicated an education at CEDU was as expensive as Stanford. Perhaps they would be interested in a followup piece regarding the truth about these places and the impact on the children who went there.

    Chris Sims
    CEDU/RMA
    82-84

  • #28 written by Rob H
    about 3 years ago

    My favorite memory about Mel Wasserman was the time he was verbaly abusing this big southern boy,a young man I should say , he was in his early 20s and was a former herion addict and as he was digging on a building site Mel yelled at the top of his lungs “C’mon put your back into it or your gonna be dead within 5 years” . Southern boy tossed the shovel over at Mel and said , Why don’t you show me how its done , fat boy.” A real cool hand luke moment. He disapeared a few days later and my instincts tell me it was not good . I like to think that it worked out for him though, he had some real balls. Other strange but true events ,during one of Mels drunken last lights he hypnotized those who were willing, just for fun. One boy went pretty far under and so Mel focused on him and had him being a chicken , then a monkey ,ect, ect. The kid remembered none of it. ALso there was this character that had been at cedu for over ten years and thought Mel was a god, he was related to the russian royal family and was from switzerland and very rich. He was in his late forties and was excused from all labor and raps and propheets. He would spend all morning in the big bathroom washing his hands over and over and grooming his hair and beard. Whomever was on house crew was instructed just to go around him. Thanks Liam ,Chris , Bill ,everone,I haven’t thought about this stuff in a long time.If you guys hadn’t lived too ,I’m sure it would seem unbelievible.

  • #29 written by Edward
    about 3 years ago

    http://www.teenliberty.org/RMA.htm

    I started perusing the above archive of articles about CEDU which appeared in the SPOKESMAN-REVIEW, a local rag in the Bonners Ferry area.

    Check out the articles on Armstrong. What a sweet heart. Except that one article where he had to pay a settlement to the female employee he drug-raped. Ouch. Just the kind of worker you want to have around at RMA in 1982. Ouch. (Armstrong an “intervention specialist” who delivers kids to private behavioral schools and camps in North Idaho was ordered by a federal jury to pay a former employee $164,595 for allegedly drugging and raping her.)

    With CEDU – with this highly lucrative industry in general: “… the bullshit piles up so quickly at CEDU you need wings to stay above it … ”

    Where are we going to find a Law Firm with the balls to go after this bunch of creeps? The amount of money these companies bring in is staggering. The amount these companies have paid out to the privileged few is outrageous. It is time to compensate the victims of these greedy jerks. It is time that “the child within” Chris and Rob and a thousand other adults be compensated for the quackery that was committed upon them.

  • #30 written by chris sims
    about 3 years ago

    “Billy Jack,” the strangely horrible 1971 independent film starring ex-marine turned independent filmmaker Tom Laughlin, was a very integral part of the program at CEDU/RMA. I watched it no less than eight times in the two years I was in attendance at the school from 1982 to 1984.

    Whereas “The Prophet” by Kahil Gabran was the bible of CEDU/RMA, “Billy Jack” was its adopted celluloid representation of its dogma much the same as Eisenstien’s silent classic “Intolerence” was to the Russian communist revolution or Leni Refinstahl’s cinematic masterpiece “Triumph of the Will” was to the Nazi Party. The only difference was that the two Russian and German tyrannies actually produced the two startlingly brilliant films themselves whereas CEDU/RMA merely lifted their propaganda piece from a shoddy B movie.

    It wasn’t enough to just watch the crappy film. We actually had to have a house meeting every time before it was shown and listen to different staffers testimonials as to the deep meaning the film represented to themselves as well as the important historical aspects it represented in regards to the origins of CEDU.

    I remember Dan Earle giving an impassioned speech, replete with tears in his eyes, about how shocked he was the first time he saw the film because as he put it “It was almost like they had made a documentary about CEDU. It was really unbelievable that someone who knew nothing about CEDU was able to make a film about a similar place without having even heard about the school before. Many people are on the same page with CEDU. This proves that you don’t necessarily have to have gone to CEDU to be in touch with the deeper meanings of life, which of course are really the deeper universal meanings known since the dawn of time to people who know themselves.”

    The song “One Tin Soldier,” the film’s opening theme performed by Coven (a group which interestingly enough prior to their having performed the opening title to “Billy Jack” had put out one other album featuring the three members on the cover in black and red robes entitled “Witchcraft Destroys Minds and Reaps Souls”) was also a very important propheet song which popped up in numerous propheets. It was played over and over again as a musical accompaniment to our misery in understanding how poorly we were living our lives prior to arriving at the for-profit promised land of CEDU/RMA.

    During Christmas of 1981, roughly seven months prior to being sent to CEDU/RMA, I remember being in Hattiesburg, Mississippi for the annual extended family get together. After the large turkey dinner, as was the tradition, all of the relatives gathered in my great aunt’s large living room to let their dinners settle and see if there was something interesting on television to watch collectively. For some reason “Billy Jack,” hardly a yuletide film, was on TV. Someone turned it on and everyone was mesmerized.

    My family was comprised of four uncles who were lawyers, my father, who was a chemical engineers, etc., and myself, a fifteen-year-old teenager.

    The film was so bad that it was fascinating. My dad and uncles were roaring at the absurdity of its plot line and the poor amateurish quality of the acting. It was kind of like the “Rocky Horror Picture Show.” Every time Jean from the Freedom School, Billy Jack’s girlfriend, would appear on the screen someone in the room would inevitably blurt out “Put some makeup on!” There were numerous impressions and jabs made at the flat acting and poorly delivered lines of the film. One scene, when Jean from the Freedom School narrates Billy Jack’s spiritual path of enlightenment, was particularly memorable: “Billy will be bit by a rattlesnake. If he lives he will be a blood brother to a rattlesnake. If he does not he will be dead.” The flatly delivered lines are followed by an abrupt jump cut of the sun rising with Billy Jack in the foreground wearing an indian head dress holding the rattlesnake in both hands above his head to accompanying dramatic music. I remember someone in my family commenting, “Well, I guess that means he’s a blood brother to a rattlesnake,” and we all laughed until tears ran down our cheeks. The movie was so bad that the participation with my family at Christmas watching it collectively, happily poking fun at it’s shoddiness, marks it as one of the fondest memories I’ve ever had of viewing a film.

    But it wasn’t just that the movie was so bad that made it so good. It was, as one of my relatives put it, that it represented the burned out flaky, self important culture of the late 60′s/early 70′s hippie culture and the burgeoning Me Generation that everyone outside of California hated about California, even though the film took place near an indian reservation in Arizona.

    (Of course at that time I had no idea the importance this would serve during the next few years of my life.)

    I often wonder now when thinking about “Billy Jack.” What it was about the film that so captured the attention of Mel Wasserman and the staff at CEDU. Which characters in the film did the various staff identify with? Did Mel Wasserman see himself as a male version of Jean from the Freedom School? Did Dan Earle cast himself in the role of Billy Jack stridently defending the image and sanctity of CEDU from outside evildoers? Neither the property of CEDU nor RMA were situated on an indian reservation, and most, if not all of the staff, with the exception of Carmen Earle, were white. Similarly CEDU/RMA were certainly not Freedom Schools in name or action. They restricted and made unacceptable almost every freedom imaginable. So what was it about “Billy Jack” that made those in charge of CEDU and RMA see themselves reflected in the characters and plot of the film?

    Maybe it was the idea of some outside evil entity, i.e. parents, euphemistically slaughtering the students inner childs prior to our having arrived at CEDU/RMA, that bore in the minds of the staff a resembelance to the evil townspeople slaughtering wild mustangs in the film’s opening credits? Perhaps when Billy Jack was forced to take action against the townspeople who harassed the children as they tried to buy ice cream Mel and his staff saw all of the difficulty they had in selling themselves to the small towns near the remote locations where they had chosen to locate their cults? Who knows for sure? Maybe it was just a cathartic release seeing Billy Jack physically subdue the townspeople in such a way that Mel and Dan and the other staff would have secretly like to have done themselves if the law would have allowed?

    I remember during one of my last viewings of the film, a few months prior to my graduating. The whole house assembled for the semi-quarterly viewing of “Billy Jack.” It started with the usual accompanying propagandizing speech by Dan Earle with the standard references of its importance to CEDU/RMA from a historical perspective.
    When they showed the film though the desired effect was lost. All of the students in the house laughed and made comments. Once again the film was so bad it was good.

    The staff that were supervising nervously tried to subdue us. But it was no use. After all, it was just a movie. From the opening to the end everyone joined in ridiculing the silly film. It was just as fun as it was in Hattiesburg, Mississippi a few years earlier all over again.

    After the movie was over, a staff member approached me and three or four older students. He tried to tell us that we were out of line. He said this was a very important film to him. He suggested we were laughing at him and everything the school stood for when we laughed at “Billy Jack.” I remember telling him, “It’s only a movie, Bob. For chrissakes.” And he responded, “Maybe to you it’s only a movie.”

    I have to admit upon arriving at CEDU, for the two weeks I was there,prior to driving in a caravan to Bonners Ferry to start RMA, my first impression of the school was that it reminded me of “Billy Jack.” In fact years later one of my friends back home used to always say “I can’t understand why your parents sent you to that Billy Jack school.”

    I guess in the final synopsis I was just confused as to why my parents had turned me over to such a horrible B movie version of the world and had allowed its fans to be in control of my life for two years.

    I thought they knew that movie sucked.

    Chris
    CEDU/RMA 82-84

  • #31 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    I was wondering if the buildings at CEDU were mostly houses? At RMA, all of the buildings that went up seemed to be houses that served as dorms while we were there, but I always had this feeling the intent was to later subdivide the property as family housing.

    I later heard that the schools were also a property investment of Wasserman’s, so this suggests to me that buildings were houses since they would sell better. I don’t think actual dormitory buildings or the typical school buildings would sell. Even the giant Denali lodge was house-shaped.

    In what little I saw of CEDU in the documentary, some of the buildings looked like houses. And at RMA, in the field they built the “Field House” and later I think they put up a second one. And not just any old place, but perfectly lined up with the first one, like a housing project.

  • #32 written by Chris
    about 3 years ago

    At CEDU there was a main lodge poised on the side of the cliff overlooking San Bernadino. It was built in the late 30′s by film actor Walter Houston, star of the “Treasure of the Sierra Madrea” and father of director John Houston and grandfather of actress Angelica Houston. It had a huge stone fireplace in the living room, and there was a swimming pool in front of the lodge. There were smaller residual buildings of a prefabricated type, which were used as dormitories, scattered around the property.

    Chris

    RMA/CEDU
    82-84

  • #33 written by Rob H
    about 3 years ago

    Just reconsidering my comments regarding violins, pity parties , my own culpibility, and middle of the night kidnappings. Perhaps I was being a little harsh on all of us. I wouldn’t be so facinated with this site if I were really over it. Like a lot of us, my parents waffled between overindulgence and apathy in regards to me. When things got tough, call in the experts and, upon their recomendation , have the problem sent off to a special place.In my family, on my mothers watch, it became a brutal rite of passage that all three of her children had to undergo.[Though I think the Stockbridge school that my sister went to was kind of soft.] But for us there was no other way, we were off track, what else was to be done?

  • #34 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    My parents had a way of making decision without involving me in the process. I loved the ritual of going to yet another shrink who was already told by my parents ahead of time what my problems were. So no need for the shrink to take the time to ask me any questions, figure out on their own if my parents were correct about me, or really take the time to get to know me personally. Kind of like RMA.

    They loved tests, and I always do well on tests, so the result was they were baffled why I could score so high, yet perform so poorly in school. Boredom never seemed to be an answer. As such, none came to any conclusions my parents accepted, so I was eventually sent to yet another shink to get the answer my parents wanted. Eventually RMA was the solution. I think they felt they did all they could. In fact, I know it.

    Both my parents worked, and not just an eight hour day, but more like twelve. There was no time, no energy and no apparent desire to work with a problem teen. Society says to send them to shrinks, so they do. RMA sold themselves as the ultimate cure-all. A lot of people fall for false advertising. I don’t think they considered the ramifications if this cure-all didn’t work as advertised. The long term effects of two years of slow poison.

  • #35 written by IBHBANDIT
    about 3 years ago

    ahahha Great story Chris

  • #36 written by chris sims
    about 3 years ago

    After spending a year at RMA, I received my dating privileges.

    Michael Parr, the original teenage bounty hunter (meaning a grown man who hunts teenagers of the rich), who later opened his own for profit child behavior modification school in Colorado, only to have it shut down by the authorities for physically abusing the kids, captured my future girlfriend for $10,000 from a crash pad in San Francisco and plopped her down on a couch in Northern Idaho just as she was crashing on speed.

    I was vacuuming the floor in the main lodge of the building when I first saw her. There were only 12 students at RMA. It had been in operation for two months. Only three out of the 12 were girls. The prospects for romance were slim. You had to be there a year in order to receive your dating privileges.

    The teenage bounty hunter had bought her to the school sometime in the middle of the previous night. I remember immediately being drawn to her. She was completely oblivious to her surroundings, sleeping soundly. Her hair was blue. It stuck out stiffly in all directions from an application of gelatin. Black mascara ran down her cheeks. But I think it was what was written on her sneaker that really attracted me to her–”Glom, glom, glom, glom, conglomerate” all the way around her shoe ending in a frowning smiley face. As I vacuumed around her sleeping form passed out on the couch, it was this statement, coupled with her punk rock aesthetic that drew me to her.
    A day later when I repeated my chore, she was still sleeping on the couch in the living room. But then she started stirring and finally awoke. She sat up from her slumber like some methed-out version of Nosferatu, and asked me “Where the fuck am I?”
    “In Northern Idaho.”
    “Where?”
    “Bonners Ferry, Idaho.”
    “What?”
    “15 miles from the border of Canada.”
    “What the fuck am I doing in fucking Idaho?”

    I explained to her that Michael Parr had bought her there from San Francisco. She fell back to sleep.

    It was sort of like love at first sight. The possibilities for companionship were slim. But still there was some hope. It was nearly a year before I was granted the right to touch her with the blessing of staff approval.

    At that time Carmen Earle was in charge of all dating. Any and everything to do with dating privileges went through her.

    Once I had made a decision during my first months of being at RMA to follow their agreements no matter the difficulty those agreements placed upon my personal autonomy, I was given a lot of freedom and responsibility within those restrictive constraints: I was a dorm head. I was in charge of ordering all of the commissary items for the student store. I was the leader of a work crew. I was in charge of Saturday night entertainment. All of these responsible actions, combined with me having sat through the last of the seven propheets, Imagine, led to the final reward of me being allowed to request the possibility of receiving my dating privileges.

    Luckily my prospective girlfriend had taken a similar path of responsibility, and since we were both into punk rock music, which we couldn’t talk about, we shared a mutual flowering attraction for one another.

    I remember trying to gain an audience with Carmen to discuss my request to be allowed to date. It was difficult. She was very busy. It took me nearly a week of pestering her. Then finally she agreed to meet with me on a Sunday afternoon.

    I was 17 at the time and my prospective love interest was 16. You could actually receive your fucking privileges, but you both had to be eighteen. I knew that was out of the question. Besides when it came to dating privileges, it was just like anything at RMA, you had to slowly obtain each level of the privilege, which if you handled appropriately, would lead to another level of the privilege which summarily would build one on top of the other gaining in scope and freedom. But I knew that we would never receive our fucking privileges. She was too young. When we graduated she would only be 17.

    There were four levels to the dating scene at RMA: kissing privileges, breast touching privileges, heavy petting privileges, fucking privileges. Each one could only be granted after close review and scrutiny by Carmen Earle. (If you did not stick with the program and tried to jump from one privilege to the other without first getting permission you would lose your dating privileges forever and wind up doing a full time.)

    When I finally met with Carmen, a 45-year-old woman with a fiery temperament, it was very awkward and difficult to explain my request. I remember saying, “Carmen, you know, I feel like I have grown so much during the last year at RMA. I mean, so many doors are opening for me. I’ve gotten in touch with so many feelings. I’ve taken on lots of responsibility. I’m learning new things about myself everyday. Can I have my dating privileges?” Then I quickly told her the name of the girl I was interested in dating.

    Carmen looked out of the window, put two fingers to her lips, and paused a moment in deep reflection. Then finally she said, “Yes, Chris, I think you a ready for your dating privileges.”

    I was elated. Finally after a year, a year of habitual masturbation and total abstinence, I was going to be allowed to grope the object of my desire.

    Carmen told me she was going to talk with my perspective girlfriend and see if she felt the same way about me. But first she told me the agreements surrounding being granted my dating privileges. “You must make sure you run a very clean program. Don’t cut corners. Only engage in dating privileges that you have been approved for. In your case that is kissing. At first you may only kiss. You must not go any further than kissing until you receive further approval. Is that understood?”

    I eagerly nodded in agreement. Kissing seemed worlds beyond the general isolation of Western Family Lotion and the palm of my hand.

    “Secondly, and perhaps most importantly, you must leave the property to go on your date. No dating must ever be done on campus. That is very important. You don’t want one of the younger students stumbling over you on your date while you are kissing. You would make them very jealous. You are one of only four people at RMA who have their dating privileges. If you are caught on campus dating, your privileges will be taken away forever.

    “Thirdly you are not allowed to discuss your dating privileges with anyone other than the person you are dating and me. Do I make myself clear?”

    I told her that I understood completely the importance and need for discretion.

    She asked when I was thinking about going on my first date. I told her I wanted to go see a movie with my prospective girlfriend the following Saturday.

    She spoke with the girl. Everything was in place. We went into Bonners Ferry to see the film “Footloose.”

    I don’t remember the movie. Just lots of impassioned kissing in the squeaky seats. We left the movie early and continued kissing next to a dumpster by the theater exit. After a while we moved down a side street and kissed more. Then there was more kissing near some railroad tracks. Then back to the secluded space between the dumpster and the exit of the movie theater for yet a little more kissing.

    Soon it was three hours later and we had to return to RMA. I was in love, and very frustrated.

    A couple of weeks passed, and a few more dates. It was the same each time. We ended up next to the dumpster, etc. The problem was the whole experience was totally frustrating, and we had nowhere to go.

    Still, I was determined to reach the next level of groping. Once again, I began soliciting Carmen for an interview. She agreed to speak with me later that day.

    It was the same thing all over again. Except this time she debriefed me on the dates, how they were going, and any problems I might be having. I informed her everything was going extremely well. I let her know that I was totally in control of my hormones. I said, that despite the extreme desire to go further, we had remained in agreement and had only kissed. Then I launched into a general overview of my performance at RMA again, my positive experiences, achievements and contributions. Then I ended my assessment abruptly and asked “Can I have my breast touching privileges?” My cheeks were flushed. My heart beat quickly.

    Carmen paused and leaned back in her chair. She seemed to be thinking deeply, turning my request over in her mind, as she looked out of the second floor window down onto a field of students sawing wood. “Chris,” she finally said,”it is true, you have grown a great deal. You have stayed in agreement and been a real leader around RMA. You participate actively in raps and prophets. You are doing fantastically well. You are a dorm head and organize Saturday entertainment. Yes, Chris, you can have your breast touching privileges.”

    I was elated! Things seemed to be going very well. I couldn’t have been happier. I really was doing well! Now, I had moved onto the next level! I could stay in agreement and touch breasts!

    Of course, Carmen had to first speak with my companion and ask her if she wanted her breasts touched. She had to debrief her on the current state of our dating and make certain that we were all on the same page.

    I had already discussed my plan with my love interest prior to my latest meeting with Carmine. We both were in agreement that we wanted this. We both felt mature enough to handle this situation. We were almost adults. After all, this is one of the things that young people in love approaching adulthood did together.

    As I left the office Carmen noticed the girl I was dating having a conversation in the dinning room area of the main lodge and she called her into the office to discuss the matter with her.

    I hung around for a minute talking about the weather with the cook Kindra. I could see Carmen’s hands moving animatedly through the window of the office. She seemed to be saying quite a lot. I hoped the girl that I was dating wouldn’t blow it. I hoped she would just say whatever they wanted to hear so I could fondle her breasts in and around Bonners Ferry, Idaho.

    But the suspense was killing me. It was taking too long. So I finally went outside and took a walk down to the pond and waited for my girlfriend (this was our designated meeting spot).

    About thirty minutes passed. It seemed like three years. Then finally she came running down from the path to the pond. I could tell by the elated way she was running that our request had been granted: l could touch her breasts. We both embraced joyously.

    I said, “She said yes? Right?” She nodded in agreement and then we hugged again.

    It was Monday. The dating usually occurred on the weekends. That was four days away. I didn’t want to seem too eager, but I also didn’t want to wait that long either. We had our privileges and we wanted to use them as quickly as possible. I remember trying to come up with a reason to go into town mid-week. But alas I was not able to fabricate a reason and had to wait until the following weekend to implement my concession.

    In the meantime I was falling more and more deeply in love with my girlfriend. It was the only form of escapism in the otherwise dreary reality of daily life at RMA. We constantly found opportunities to meet with one another and go on walks, but we didn’t dare “date” on campus due to not wanting to have anything jeopardize the small amount of freedom we were enjoying.

    To my surprise I received approval for a mid-week bike ride off of the property with my girlfriend. We were excused from Wednesday raps, which afforded a few hours to explore our sensual desires before dinner.

    At the appointed time we rode our bikes off of the property, pretty much just outside the gates of the school. We hid our bikes under some branches and leaves, then hiked a quarter of a mile into the woods where we feverishly fell upon each other.

    It was better than I imagined it would be. I touched, pinched, jiggled, and kneaded my girlfriend’s breasts with wild abandon. We kissed and rolled around on the ground. Then there was more groping. Then there was more kissing. We were covered in dirt and leaves.

    Three hours passed in what seemed like five minutes. We made sure to follow the agreements, doing nothing more than we were allowed. Then it was time to go back and I helped her put her bra back on. We dusted each other off, smoothed out the rough edges, then found our bikes and peddled back up the road to RMA.

    On Friday and Saturday we went to see movies. Our love was really blossoming. We watched about one minute of the movies then left through the emergency exit to our favorite spot next to the dumpster. We moved around to the usual various rendezvous exploring our love.

    This went on for two weeks.

    But then I was feeling very frustrated. Like I said earlier, due to our age differential, I knew we would never get our fucking privileges, and this in and of itself was very frustrating, but even more frustrating than that was that the wall of exploration was not being pushed forward with what at first seemed like a privilege: breast touching. At first it had been fantastically fun and exciting. I thought about them all the time. They seemed to dominate my young imagination: their pendulous sway was fantastic. But very quickly admiration turned to provocation and we both agreed that we needed more. We needed to go to the next level. We were ready.

    Four weeks had lapsed since we first received our dating privileges. Now I had to return to Carmine again and try to convince her that we deserved to have our heavy petting privileges. (We both agreed we needed the release that this privilege would provide.)

    I was dreading speaking with her. I was beginning to feel like a pervert. Was my carnal appetite too rapacious? Would it be possible to ask for my heavy petting privileges without seeming lecherous and overly horny? I was scared, but me and my girlfriend discussed it and decided that it was an important level of growth and development we both had to experience together in order to move that much closer to becoming responsible, well adjusted adults.

    The next day I waited around for Carmine to get out of a staff meeting. I stood around the office looking busy, ordering supplies for the commissary, waiting for her to emerge so I could schedule a meeting with her. Finally a little bit before lunch she came out of her office, walking briskly in the opposite direction of me. I could have sworn she was avoiding me. But I followed her and told her I needed to speak with her when she had the time. I wanted to reach the next plateau. I was feeling very bold.

    “What is it?” she asked.
    “It’ll only take a minute.”
    “Can it wait until later?”
    “I promise it’s quick.”
    “You’re sure it can’t wait?”
    “Two minutes.”

    We made our way to her office. Very quickly, I once again reviewed my past achievements, then, despite my sudden embarrassment, I blurted it out, “Can we have our heavy petting privileges?”

    “And this couldn’t wait, Chris?” I knew I was in trouble.
    “I didn’t think it was a big deal.”
    “Chris, you are doing wonderfully, but you’re moving too fast.”
    “It’s been a month.”
    “First you get your kissing privilege, then two weeks later you get your breast touching privileges. This is unprecedented.”
    “I’m just asking because I wasn’t aware that there was a fixed time for any of these privileges.”
    “I understand. There is nothing written in stone about dating privileges because it is up to the discretion of the staff member in charge.”
    “How long do you think is an acceptable amount of time to wait to ask for my heavy petting privileges?”
    “That is uncertain. You are very young.”
    “I’m 17 and very responsible.”
    “She’s very young.”
    “16,” I said. “That’s about the age that things of this sort happen isn’t it?”
    “You are going too fast.”
    “I think we’re both ready for this,” I pleaded.
    “Why don’t we just keep things the way they are now?”
    “Maybe in a month or two?” I pressed.
    “Chris, I don’t know if I ever see you getting your heavy petting privileges.”
    “I mean I can understand we are both under 18 and we can’t…”
    “This is the end of this discussion. You are lucky to be able to kiss and touch breasts. Don’t press the issue. Most people at RMA can only touch themselves.”
    “Sure.”

    There were more dates. It was all the same. More kissing. More touching. A little dry humping in and around Bonners Ferry. But there was no cathartic release. There was no satisfaction. Each time there was just more fodder for my fantasies that led to more and more self groping.

    The bad thing was my maturity level for handling this relationship within the restrictive confines of RMA was very low. I never broke the agreements. I always stopped just short of heavy petting. And the more frustrated I became, the more I perceived frustration as love.

    My outlook on the future of my relationship was somewhere in the clouds. I imagined myself living with my girlfriend for the rest of our lives.

    But then there was this trip to Europe. There were 6 students chosen to go. Me and my girlfriend were amongst the chosen few. It was 4 weeks in Europe. Everyone was very excited. But unfortunately my father refused to pay any more money beyond tuition for this extracurricular activity. My spot was forfeited to another student and I had to stay behind.

    Apparently my girlfriend fell for my replacement while overseas. It was bound to happen: Paris, Berlin, Rome. I knew it before it even happened. I didn’t stand a chance.

    When they returned from Europe, my girlfriend and I were finished. I was devastated.

    I remember sitting up in the living room of the old lodge ordering supplies for the student store with my best friend and coworker. At that time all of the girl’s dorms were underneath the living room on the backside of the building.
    You could hear the muffled sounds of voices coming up from the floorboards beneath our feet.

    Much to my chagrin, I could hear the voices of my girlfriend and her new boyfriend spilling through the floorboards. It was clearly audible.

    They were not following the agreements.

    Boy, I sure felt like an idiot for having followed the rules so closely.

    Two weeks later I graduated.

  • #37 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    A great and vivid story Chris. I can picture it so clearly. And what an absolutely humiliating situation. Begging for the privilege of having a perfectly normal relationship with a member of the opposite sex from a woman old enough to be your mother.

    Ironic, my RMA girlfriend also arrived via the Mike Parr Express. But we skipped the privs and did what nature intended. We got caught in the walk-in freezer in the Spring Room and did a full time. Well, I did, she got pulled by her father three days later.

    But all I remembered was being scared to death we would be caught. And where you followed the agreements, I generally did as well. My feelings told me that what we were doing (For six months) was natural and normal, but my head kept screaming that the punishment we faced was not worth the rewards. I was very conflicted. It was almost impossible to enjoy the brief moments of escape, hidden away somewhere on campus together, because of the deep fear of being found out.

    The school made me feel like what we were doing was dishonest, and wrong, yet I kept thinking it was logical. And this was the conflict. Before it was my feelings that told me it was normal, and now it was my head saying it, with my feelings siding with the school philosophy. We had “dated” for many months before our first kiss. We just got closer and closer to the point where it really felt like a natural progression.

    But alas, we were caught. And then paraded around as though we had truly sinned and had “shit” on the school. They tried really hard to cast us in a poor light, but the students didn’t buy in to it. Indictments in raps were rather sedate. Everyone claimed they “knew” something was going on, but none did. They were surprised, without actually being surprised. The understood we had been close for a year or more. They had trouble visualizing me breaking the agreements, but the relationship made sense. And when they didn’t see it as all that dishonest, that it hadn’t been some “quickie” but had been a relationship that had built up and progressed on its own, in a natural way, nobody had the desire to beat me up in raps. They might have laughed about the walk-in freezer aspect, and wondered how we could have fit in there and been doing anything, but nobody, except staff, could muster up anything harsh to say to us. So the students understood the situation. Two teens built a friendship that progressed to something more, did what teens do, what’s the problem? They all shared the same desires we had.

    Even my parents understood. The school called them and told them what had happened and they were like… he’s being punished? They made Tim Brace sit down with me and specifically say, “What you did was wrong only because you broke the rules, not for what you actually did, which was a perfectly normal thing.” He hated it. But my parents did not want them to make me equate having sex or a relationship with a female as being something terrible and wrong. Which is exactly the message RMA wanted to send to me. And I know my parents, in doing this, took the wind out of their sails. They could punish me, but not humiliate me any longer, and so my full-time was brief.

    The girl and I stayed together for several more amazing years before she too found someone else. And while traveling. Go figure. History repeats!

    But what a truly bizarre way to begin your journey in to physical relationships. I just remember when I learned there were actual school privileges for dating and having sex that it just seemed so odd and humiliating. I actually pictured having someone like Carmen coming along on a date, saying “You may now stick your tongue in her mouth when you kiss her and I will describe how that will be done. And she will undo just a single button from her blouse to tease you with her breasts, though you will not be allowed to see or touch them for another two months and only if you have filled out the specified number of rap requests and told your story to the specified number of new students during that time period. Are we all in agreement?”

    Gives me shivers just thinking about it.

  • #38 written by Rob H
    about 3 years ago

    I can vouch that this is all true as I was there. I did know about the 2nd base privilages, we were” older students”and had some leeway as to the boundries, at least conversationly. It was a vicarious thrill to hear about these exploits on the one hand and while envious at the time , I feel very lucky that my early dating was done on my own terms. What I have to question is , was this a set up, an almost impossible situation for a boy of that age? Wouldn’t Carman expect Chris to go too far and then break one of the two though cross examination? The end result, full time and perhaps another six months/15,0001984$On the other hand ,it may have been just a little extra mental torture.The third option , that it may have been in the best intrests of Chris’s emotional development, well, I’ll pass on that one.

  • #39 written by Edward
    about 3 years ago

    Great story Chris -

    I find it hard to believe that you were fooled into playing by the rules. Also the insanity of having to ask a 45 year old woman if you could jam it into maryjane rottencrotch … Well, it just seems weird.

    Anyways, I hav been searching high and low to find a law firm that will take on CEDU/Wasserman/et al, I think most attorneys are pretty gun shy after the failed Brown Schools case in Austin, where Brown schools filed for chapter 11 instead of paying some pretty trivial judgments (considering Brown Schools brought in $76 million a year).

    We will get there though eventually. We’ll make ‘em pay.

  • #40 written by Chris
    about 3 years ago

    I woke up this morning thinking about the “I Want to Live” Propheet. My first thought had to do with John Denver and how much I hated his Muppet-like, happy-go-lucky, John Lennon spectacle-adorned persona. His stupid blond, shoulder length hair and user friendly Roy Rogers face somehow disturbs my aesthetic sensibilities beyond reason. The fucked-up thing is the fact that John Denver has any sort of influence in my life at all. He was loved by millions precisely because of his non-intrusive image: seeming somewhere between a Muppet and a man, much the same as a fish seems halfway between a plant and a pet He was completely forgettable to the public at large, and that is what made him lovable to America. But due to my experiences at CEDU/RMA I’m not normal. Thanks to Mel’s robotic schlock masters implanting permanent seeds of schmaltz, I have an unreasonable amount of disdain for this chortling, eco-friendly bard of the touchy-feely. Instead of waking up and hearing the birds and seeing the sunshine and the blue sky out of my window and feeling blessed to be alive and experiencing the glory of life I’m thinking about John Denver and his song and an experience I had 27 years ago. My soul is programmed and imprinted with the stamp of CEDU/RMA’s Birkenstock boot stomp. The experiences they imposed have flowered into a constant source of reflection.

    Of course music in general was important at CEDU/RMA. Those in charge were very aware of its power. They banned it and controlled it to such a degree that most of it was considered unacceptable. Ultimately it was a powerful therapeutic tool used to subjugate us to their rule. The staff seemed hellbent on destroying any taste or love for music we had as students.

    Their taste in music was dated even in 1982. It seemed hopelessly lost in the early to mid-70′s. John Lennon, Neil Diamond, and John Denver all had Propheets named after and themed around their turgid hits: “Imagine,” “He Aint Heavy (He’s My Brother),” and “I Want to Live.” It was a Logins and Messina nightmare, laced with seeds of Joni Mitchell and Kenny Rodgers, and the music was used to reduce us to gibbering sobbing fools, then conversely it was used to put us back together again and inspire confidence. In fact Mel and company used music much the same as the FBI used it torture the Branch Davidians in Waco before they burned them alive. I remember every Propheet, they had a stereo in place and there was a cassette tape suitcase filled with tapes that had the same song recorded over and over on them to provide a soundtrack to the therapeutic nightmare as it unfolded.

    But thoughts of John Denver and the Propheet I Want to Live always lead to yet another artist Jimi Hendrix. Jimi Hendrix was not even in the same realm as John Denver. He was perhaps the most interesting electric guitarist to have ever lived. His death at the age of 27 was truly tragic (interestingly John Denver’s death at the age of 47 in a plane crash off the coast of Carmel, California barely registered as a blip on the radar of cultural significance). When Jimi Hendrix died the world truly lost a unique voice. Even mentioning him in the same sentence with John Denver is almost criminal, yet the program at CEDU/RMA made such vapid comparisons possible.

    Deprived of sleep and crying over our total failings as human beings, as the sun came in through the windows in the early morning hours, I remember Carmine and Dan Earle telling us they were going to take us back to the streets. They said they were going to let us know how low we had sunk before arriving at CEDU. They said, “Look at the crap you put in your heads! Look at the shit you thought was cool! Listen to the confusion and negativity and see where it takes you. See where it leads you back to. Remember how it faced you in the direction of life instead of death.” Then they played it, “Purple Haze” by Jimi Hendrix. I remember it was the first real music I had heard in six months. But in the world of CEDU Jimi Hendrix was so bad that his whole discography was completely unacceptable. In fact even talking about it would wind you up on a fulltime throwing rocks from on pile into another or digging holes and filling them up for at least a week.

    “Purple haze all through my brain/ Lately days don’t seem the same.” Some of my fellow students in my peer group seemed to go with it. Their sobbing increased steadily while Dan and Carmine continued to point out that it had been a soundtrack to our own slow suicides prior to our arrivals at CEDU/RMA.

    But it had an opposite effect on me and some of the other students. We actually liked the song and my best friend actually became very angry. When they finished playing the song and asked him where he was at. He said he resented Dan and Carmine for playing the song of an artist he loved and respected. He said, “What am I supposed to do, drool like one of Pavlov’s dogs whenever I hear this song in the future?”

    “Look at how you still cling to negative thinking and the garbage of the past,” was Dan Earle’s response. There was no room for discourse that was of a contrary opinion.

    I think John Denver, the good one, and Jimi Hendrix, his evil nemesis, clearly illustrates the mindset of those in charge. On the one hand you had dated kitsch and on the other total genius. We were expected to embrace the inferior artistic achievements of John Denver over the creative angst of a truly compelling artist like Jimi Hendrix.

    I just wonder if CEDU/RMA ever paid any royalties to John Lennon, Neil Diamond, or John Denver for having used their songs repeatedly as musical accompaniment to their profit making therapy venture? I’m certain they never paid the estate of Jimi Hendrix a dime.

    Chris Sims
    CEDU/RMA
    82-84

  • #41 written by Johnny Propheet
    about 3 years ago

    Chris,

    Neil Diamond’s son Jesse went to Cedu 86-88. Think about how crummy it would be to listen to those songs (while at cedu) and dealing with all of that and they are playing music by your father?

    For me, “I Need You” by America and “You needed me” by Anne Murray are two songs that if I hear them in a grocery store, I still go nuts like a Pavlovian dog 20 years later. I am a huge collector of music and respect all types. However, it is still hard for me to appreciate some of the stuff we were tortured with. The memories just come flooding back to a room of 20 kids crying at the top of their lungs snotting to the floor with tissue all over the place.

    I actually had a cedu dream last week. I have come to the conclusion it will never go away…

  • #42 written by Ian Z.
    about 3 years ago

    As per Edwards post, if you find an attorney to try to dole out some justice please post back here to let us know! I for one, would love to get even with Brown Schools..

    As per Michael’s post above:

    DEATH ROW SERIAL MOLESTER CONNECTED TO CEDU

    http://ficanetwork.net/death-row-serial-molester-connected-to-cedu/

    This is insane. I personally knew Jonathan Inman from the article above. I was at CEDU then. I remember staff telling us he ran down the backside. Then weeks or months later at a house around the pit they told us his remains had been found on the backside. To think now that he possibly was abducted and raped/murdered blows my mind. This is yet a further outrage to me that any kid should ever have been sent there or to any place with the same practices such as CEDU.. I do not remember the animals mentioned in the linked article above. The fact that such people were @ CEDU dealing with kids which in and of itself (CEDU) was such a mind warping fuck zone is utterly morose to me. I am so f*&^%ng pissed to have just read this article. Sick..

    Liam, great job on all you do once again! Please do let me know how I could obtain a copy of the final product.

    I hope everyone on here had a wonderful holiday and I hope you all have a safe prosperous New Year! God Bless..

    Oh yeah, Johnny Propheet, trust me I still have the dreams too! A couple of times a month at least. Some are extremely vivid, whilst others are more vague. I personally think we have all been mentally stained with the sick shit we all went through at these schools. Hopefully one day the dreams will cease, yet it seems unlikely at least for now! For me when I have a CEDU dream the next day I smoke like a chimney drink coffee like there’s no tomorrow and do what I can to mentally bitch-slap myself so that I remember “It”s okay, it’s okay it was just a dream. You are not there anymore! You can do whatever you damn well please today!” Then I feel better!

    Till next time….

    Ian Z.

    CEDU (Feb. 92-Apr. 94)
    RMA (Apr. 94-Jun. 94)

  • #43 written by chris sims
    about 3 years ago

    Interesting that CEDU really stood for Charles E. Dederich University, after the founder of Synanon. We were always told that it stood for “You are what you do, not what you say you do.” The acronym CEDU, according to false legend of reinvented folklore, was painted on the mail box of the school by some hippie kid who loved the school for saving him from a lifetime of addiction. At least this is what Dan and Carmen Earle and Mel Wassermen were putting forth as the orgins of the name. I guess by 1982 they were already embarrassed, or afraid to have any association with the hero of their program.

    Also, Johnny that was compelling information, about Mr. Diamonds son. Talk about the Twilight Zone.

    Chris

    82-84

  • #44 written by Chris
    about 3 years ago

    What’s up with Montana, Tim Earle, Pat Stambuski? I was at RMA from the beginning. I can’t believe Pat Stambuski would ever be involved in any sort of “educational” program. He seemed more the construction worker type.

    Tim Earle? I guess he’s just following in the old man’s footsteps. I went into Bonners Ferry and saw him appear in a play at Bonners Ferry High School back in 1983. We were both 17. The only difference was that his father, the director of RMA, thought it was more important that he receive an education at the local public high school, and my dad was bamboozled into believing that RMA was providing us with a decent education.

    Anyway, my point is what’s up with Montana? And I guess these two clowns, Pat Stambuski (for some reason changed his name to Patrick McKenna) and Tim Earle, have teamed up to continue the unique form of torture known as RMA/CEDU. (See Monarch School of Montana. Funny how they relate a carnivorous program of attack therapy dedicated to ruining childrens’ lives to a gentle butterfly which feeds upon a poisonous herb milkweed, or maybe they are referring to a power mad king.)

    Montana must be the last wild frontier of child abuse.

    Chris Sims
    First new student at RMA
    82-84

  • #45 written by Seroquel Snooters
    about 3 years ago

    This is a great site for news stories on the industry:

    http://ficanetwork.net/

  • #46 written by Ian Z.
    about 3 years ago

    Liam and all,

    I just watched this movie on Netflix called “Boot Camp”. It is from 2007 and stars Mila Kunis and Gregory Smith. It is about “troubled teens” who get sent to this camp in the remote Fiji islands to get help with their problems etc… Now of course it was a movie and thus was very revised compared to a genuine 2.5 year stint at let’s say Cedu, RMA etc.. As a CEDU survivor myself some parts of the movie really hit home as per relating to some of the truly ghastly mind rape we all went through at these schools. Like I said it was only a 2 hour flick but in my opinion well orchestrated. I recommend anyone who has not seen it to check it out if you so desire. Does anyone else who has been to CEDU or any of these schools feel this overwhelming sense of wanting to avoid confrontation with people. I do not mean to sound nutty or anything but lately I have just been feeling like everyone is staring at me or some shit, probably just me. I am really begining to think that CEDU did indeed alter my mind in some wicked way. CEDU dreams have been recurring alot lately. Some messed up shit I tell you.
    Anyhow, check out “Boot Camp” 2007 folks it’s worth a watch…

    -Peace-

    CEDU- Feb. 1992-Apr. 1994
    RMA-Apr. 1994-Jun. 1994

  • #47 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    Yeah, I enjoyed Boot Camp too.

    The opening was great. Shows how “escorts” do their job, the kids are injected with a sedative before being plastic cuffed. Next they are on a boat to Fiji.

    And the actors did a great job when they first arrived on the island, being totally clueless why all of the abuse was necessary? I felt the same way when I arrived at RMA, just this feeling of being in a totally alien environment, far from home, far from sanity. Seeing everyone completely in to the program, unquestioning despite how abusive and confrontational and deeply personal it all was. There were no boundaries and I think that scared me and probably many others.

    I also liked how the staff at the camp would retaliate against friends for wrongs done by you. It reminded me of bans and booth restrictions. How there was a punishment for any minor infraction, yet the punishment was anything but minor. And how friends who didn’t pull you up or confront you got punished as well, even though they didn’t do anything except not confront you or yell at you enough to suit some staff member.

    And of course, I loved how the guy running the show had a fake degree and didn’t really have the credentials to be treating kids, how his program was a cult through and through, and how his status as a guru was portrayed unquestioned by everyone. And how his background included criminal activities much as the staff at CEDU and RMA all seemed to have truly despicable people before becoming staff.

    Just an all around good movie with a lot of parallels to what we went through.

  • #48 written by Ian Z.
    about 3 years ago

    As per Bill’s post above, couldn’t agree with you more buddy, the movie Boot Camp portrayed so many of the horrors we went through. I particularly enjoyed the end. For those who haven’t seen the movie I will not give away the end. However, for those who have seen it, isn’t it ashame that what happened at the end didn’t happen at Cedu or RMA? Oh if only… -Till next time-

    • #49 written by jesse
      about 3 years ago

      ian do you remember me I was in your peer group with beau, matt, andy, jackson, hannah, I have been trying to reconnect with everyone email me
      segal.jesse62[at]gmail.com

  • #50 written by Seroquel Snooters
    about 3 years ago

    There was a small scale “riot” at NWA sometime in the mid 90′s. Nothing like in the movie though. ASAP seems to be a reference to the WASP school of programs. Very sickening to see portrayed on screen.

  • #51 written by Bill
    about 3 years ago

    The riot at NWA took place in a “different” era. When I was at RMA in 1984-86, for the most part the students were docile. Not just by the conditioning we went through to obey, but it was just a different time. The nineties introduced a lot of violence in to our culture, so where I could see a riot happening, especially because kids in the 90′s had a far greater sense of entitlement and sense of self than we did, I can’t see a riot happening in the mid-80′s.

    I have heard only a few details about that riot from two different accounts, and the scope of the conflict did seem rather limited. I don’t think the bulk of the student body was involved. But I do think it was a turning point for the school. Clearly they did not adapt and realize their abusive methods were at the heart of the riot. Staff were not really capable, in my mind, of accepting responsibility for anything. The culture they created was always to blame the kids, never to reflect on their own methods. So the result was that the riot did not cause them to change, and soon after the schools were being shut down.

    When I watched the Boot Camp, I could see that coming. I could see that the abuse was just too much, too often and all it took was for those being abused to gain the confidence to strike back. The counselors in the program were every bit as over-confident in their control and methods as CEDU/RMA/NWA were. Also, as I watched, I realized that in the nineties, the various programs were instituting wilderness boot camp style methods where there was far more deprivations that what we experienced. In the 80′s we all lived in buildings with heat, showers, bathrooms. When I consider what I might have been capable of, abandoned by my parents, no communication with the outside world, no way to address grievances coupled with sleeping in the freezing cold in tents or on the ground, with poor food, abusive treatment, daily exercises and so on…? I would have been the one organizing the revolt. So despite the different eras, given the same level of abuse, I think the same outcome would have occurred.

    I am surprised that more riots in more places have not been reported over the years as I see that the abuse has become stronger. We do see more deaths however. Is that because of the proliferation of these programs and therefore more opportunities for death or injury or because the methods have become harsher?

  • #52 written by Jennifer D
    about 2 years ago

    OMG I’m on that cover! hahahaha….

  • #53 written by Bill
    about 2 years ago

    Someone on Facebook who attended RMA back in 1986 posted on Facebook tonight saying “Change yr frequency at any time by changing how u feel, and everything around u will change because u r on a different frequency! Love IS the Power!”

    I personally hate this sort of worn out belief that all you have to do is think positively and everything bad suddenly goes bye bye.

    The discussion changed to an explanation. The poster said they had a friend die a long time ago when they were about 16. The dying friend said not to dwell on the death but to remember how they lived. No crying or wallowing in it. Just be happy and move on.

    Call me overly logical if you will, but I don’t believe humans are actually capable of faking themselves out in order to believe something they don’t. That if my best friend died, I could feel sad they died and happy to have known them at the same time, but unless I am a robot, I cannot turn off the sadness and only have that happiness. That this is simply not possible for a human to do.

    And a lot of dime store psychology like RMA, CEDU, Synanon and so on, all believe that with a few catchy phrases from self-help books..or hell, some catchy lines they made up on the spot…that somehow people can really accomplish things like forgetting emotions and memories and so on. That all we have to do is say to ourselves, “I know I just watched my family killed before my eyes in a gruesome fashion, but RMA told me to just smile and think happy thoughts and stay positive and I can just be in a state of bliss.”

    So then the conversation changed slightly to say, “Well, you can CHOOSE to focus on the bad, or you can CHOOSE to focus on ONLY the good. It is a choice.” Again, we are not robots. I sincerely believe we as humans are not capable..simply do not possess the level of control over our thoughts, memories and emotions to simply forget we are feeling a certain emotion, or to intentionally forget an event happened.

    I do believe that with repetitiion and threat of punishment, such as happened at RMA and CEDU and in other spinoff programs that students can make up stories about themselves, tell those stories so often it blurs the lines between reality and what they believe. I saw that happen where girls might claim that every guy they ever met basically raped or molested them. Never identifying details though I noticed. So I knew when stories were made up to gain attention and with some tears, get the heat off. There were rewards and punishments. But none of them were able to make themselves believe any of it instantaneously.

    If I told you right now that I didn’t attend RMA, even though a moment ago I said I did, but I made myself forget because I don’t want to be in that darkness any longer. I just want to remember only happy thoughts and happy memories… Obviously I am not capable of forgetting something on demand.

    Further, if my best friend right now calls and says he thinks I am a jerk and we’re never speaking again, I can’t just say…Oh well. Turn off emotion. Erase all memory of friendship. It simply cannot be done.

    Yet so often I hear this mumbo jumbo, dime store psychology where people suggest we are truly capable of such self control. And I notice that people who fully believe RMA or CEDU “SAVED THEIR LIFE!” are often people who truly believe they have such abilities.

    And I don’t know. Is this good or bad? Is a placebo bad if you take it and you believe your pain has gone away? I try and be a devil’s advocate as best I can.

    Personally I think people try and tell others they are fine because they want to believe it themselves. Maybe thinking you have such incredible levels of self-control makes you happy. But if don’t and you believe it, then what? And if you don’t, and you know you don’t and you believe it, then what?

    So finishing this, the poster then told how they are being evicted, with kids and having to relocate within a short time span to some new home. They say they choose to look only to hope and the future. I say that is not possible. You cannot turn off the stress. If you are stressed you cannot simply claim it does not exist. If you loved your home and are sad to be leaving it, you can’t just say the sadness doesn’t exist.

    Some dime store shrink might say…Close your eyes, and imagine all of this stress is gone. It’s a few months from now and you’ve moved into this new home. It is a wonderful, happy home. You’re kids have already made new friends, they love their new school, you’re happy, the neighbors are great…” Open your eyes and you are back in reality. It isn’t the future. You never lost the stress. The fear of uncertainty is still there.

    Is there anything wrong with trying to visualize a future you’d like for yourself and maybe the steps to getting there? Nope! But reality now, doesn’t change because you want it to. If it worked that way, it would work for all sorts of things. Such as being able to convince yourself that a person is not standing before you. That you cannot a siren. That your hand is on fire but you don’t notice.

    I only mention this because I think it goes to the topic that these places try and instill the false belief that they give you amazing powers to change your life and some people fully buy in to it. And that it could even be psychologically devastating to think you can forget tragedy and hardship and emotional pain when in fact you are merely suppressing it and not dealing with it.

    Am I a jerk for suggesting that people shouldn’t try and take the blue pill to feel good and the red pill to feel bad? Remember, Neo didn’t actually eat any pill. They were not there. The ultimate placebo I suppose is the one you believe exists and doesn’t.

  • #54 written by heather
    about 2 years ago

    Wow. Just wow. I went to the Cascade School in 1991 and I am in shock. I never knew that it was basically a carbon copy of CEDU. I knew Michael Allgood and Erik Melzer went to CEDU, but I had no clue that they just changed the language. It is so creepy to see y’all describing things that I thought were unique to my life story so vividly, or at the very least, unique to Cascade…and y’all were in Idaho. Half a decade later. Goosebumps, Liam Scheff.

    Please email me if you want info on what I know about the Cascade School. Thank you so much for making these memories come back to life.

  • #55 written by trish
    about 2 years ago

    I went to Cascade in 1989. Unlike the last person to comment, I knew that CEDU was the basis of Cascade. Thank you so much for your work on this documentary. I left before I completed the program, but please feel free to contact me with questions, Liam.

    Again Thank !

  • #56 written by heather
    about 2 years ago

    Hi Trish! I knew Cascade was started by people who went to Cedu, but I did not know that it was a carbon copy/clone school and that they merely changed the terminology. At the time, I thought Cascade was different than Cedu. I especially had no clue how many Cedu clone schools there were/are across the country. Its basically a pyramid scheme!

    I’m curious–what do you remember them telling y’all about the split from Cedu?

  • #57 written by T
    about 2 years ago

    Story I remember was that somewhere around 1984-85, due to “philosophical” differences Michael Allgood, Eric Von Melzer, Art T. and maybe the Casses? organized a group split from CEDU. They and about 20 students drove up to Whitmore en mass and Cascade was born. I think Scott Abbott and Paula Rudy had just graduated from CEDU and they signed on as councilors or sort of like third year students.

    But I too would like to know if anyone remembers exactly what we were told those philosophical differences were. Frankly I think I block a lot of memories from that time. There are things that I should be able to remember that I can’t.

    Cascade 89-92

  • #58 written by brainwashed
    about 2 years ago

    I too went to Cascade…I don’t know what the original philosophical differences were, but I do know that Michael Allgood still spoke highly of Mel Wasserman in my days there. The Casses, the Tilleses, Allgood, EVM, Carl Janowitz, Paula Rudy, Scott Abbott (who had left) all came from CEDU. I think there were other staff who were CEDU grads, but I cannot remember. They all glorified the days of CEDU and of building Cascade and held it out as the best of times. I am not sure if Kelly Dunbar was a student of CEDU or not, but I remember how cold and calculating and downright cutting she was in forums (not to her favored boys though – they always got a free pass) and she is now in the administration at Carlbrook, along with some Cascade/CEDU grads and staff, as well Matthew (who was a new counselor when I was at Cascade in the mid 90s and was considered one of the “easy” ones – I highly doubt he is still so if he’s running a place based on the Synanon system).

    Allgood himself told me (we were supposedly “close,” though I never understood why) that he was proud of the academics at Cascade and that the educational component is what had been missing at CEDU, that at Cascade we could grow emotionally but also learn to become renaissance men and women, true poets, and philosophers. HA! I was used to getting ripped for being an intellectual and had been forced by some really brutal forums and a counselor “program” to give up reading at Cascade to “get me out of my square.” It was all a mindfuck. Allgood took a charcoal still life study I’d spent a month on to frame and hang in the House, I was not allowed to keep it…but after that I wasn’t allowed to take art classes again because they were also in my square…so I tried out for the play and got cast in it…and then they cancelled that too since it was also in my square, despite the fact that I’d been a wallflower my entire life…but the line I was given is that Cascade taught us to grow and be well-rounded in ways that CEDU didn’t. I believe that the real deal is that Allgood and company figured out a system that was more effective at conning parents into thinking that Cascade was la creme de la creme of “therapeutic boarding schools” and delivered us salvation as well as academic excellence. The con seems to have worked. I think because we had real (and I believe accredited) schooling our parents never questioned the legitimacy of their sales pitch.

  • #59 written by brainwashed
    about 2 years ago

    Finding this page has been a very mixed bag for me. I graduated from Cascade, which was a CEDU-derived program with an all too familiar cast of whacked-out characters.

    It is almost 15 years since I left and I am just now starting to deal with it. I started reading a survivors’ board a month or 2 ago and it brought back sooo much. I have since done a ton of research, read books by former grads, books on Synanon, etc….whoa.

    I feel a horrendous amount of guilt for my behavior at Cascade. I was one of the kids that bought the brainwashing…I was in it right when I got there. I wasn’t even alarmed by my first forum. I arrived at Cascade already believing that it was all in my best interest. I was angry about all the rules, but I genuinely believed they could help and fix me and I went along with everything. I believed what they all told me, that I was so completely screwed up and that this was my one chance at salvation and happiness. There were times I struggled and MANY times I thought what was going on was bullshit, but I always came around to the thought that it was a problem with me personally (not me, but “I,” lol) not with the program…that I was just some fuckup and my twisted thinking needed to be fought.

    Looking back, I now realize that was why the school insisted to my parents that I do wilderness before Cascade would accept me. Pathfinders did the hard work of breaking us down for them. I remember now the total helplessness and shame of being strip searched by two big strange men in the middle of nowhere and having to spread myself while they laughed and called me a rich bitch and taunted me, and that was only the beginning. I left Pathfinders 11.5 weeks later and I had bought the entire party line. One of the male staff who did that strip search took a “special interest” in me and we did a ton of one-on-one “intensive therapy,” all involving my sexual issues and what he perceived was my true relationship with my father. He told me he was devoted to me, that he could see into my soul and he saw the despair that would someday make me pull the trigger if I couldn’t work though it. He was just so “generous” with me, he gave me so much one on one time because he “loved me like a daughter.” SICK!!! He was not trained to work with kids in any capacity, he was just a total sicko getting his rocks off on snuggling a teenage girl and working out all his misogynistic pedo shit on me by slut-shaming me, calling me things like desperate junkie whore and telling me things my real dad supposedly thought about me that I will not repeat here. I now realize it is the things he told me about myself that still nag me word for word in the back of my head and have made my adult sex life a confusing, frustrating, and usually shameful maze – as crazy as it sounds, I had completely forgotten all of the “therapy,” and all I could recollect was how to make fire and the intense physical pain of hiking with a back injury. Now it’s all coming back and it’s sickening. Of course I was ready for Cascade and did not want to return to my parents’ home after that.

    My paranoia about people turning/flipping on me, my feelings of deep inadequacy and constant fears that I am not doing enough or that I am ripping people off and need to work harder, always harder, and my need to either completely confess and debase myself or flip the script the moment someone suggests I might have screwed up or made a mistake are behaviors I learned at Cascade…a lot of the Truth and Dialogues (I & Me) live in my head and I had totally forgotten where all that nonsense came from! The panic and anxiety and doublethinking so that I’m always wrong but simultaneously always right…thanks Cascade/Pathfinders, that’s definitely the best way to “treat” a 16 year old confused kid…fail to diagnose a severe learning disability and neurological development issues, ship them off to be programmed and tormented on wilderness, then bring them to campus and mindfuck them…and teach them how to do the same to others.

    I had 2 counselors at Cascade who were kind and loving people and who really tried to help me. Both were chased away by the administration, and one of them was kind enough to warn me to stay away from Carl Janowitz and Eric Von Melzer which got her targeted. I got back in touch with her recently, and she shared that she left because the staff were as abusive to her as they were to the kids and the cabal that ran the school thought they were gods and she thought all the shaming was bullshit.

    I am starting to understand now what happened, but I still don’t know what to make of it…the full realization that probably had a hand in damaging many fellow students, some of who I loved and cared for, and some who I simply dumped and vented on for not being broken program zombies has just hit me. I feel like such a fool. How does one make amends for such things? Is it even possible? What if I am that horrible nagging voice in someone else’s head now? I had little sisters and younger friends who trusted me to look out for them, and I softened them up to get pummeled and emotionally dismantled. I am deeply, deeply sorry for that. Truly.

    Yet I think the biggest benefit I got from either place was the ability to empathize with other people…to recognize the universality of our human condition. I just wish I had not participated in the damaging and painful forums and workshops. I wish I had not damaged my peers.

    I am not sure what else to say, but I do know that I want to make sure that these kinds of programs are never again allowed to “help” other children. I see that there is still a Cascade/CEDU spinoff called Carlbrook…which other Synanon clones are still around?

    Feel free to message or email me regarding the wilderness/therapeutic boarding school experience. I am willing to go on the record.

    I am also tryign to remember more of what happened in the celebrations/workshops, so any more info on those would be appreciated.

  • #60 written by Betty
    about 1 year ago

    Watching the rap clip and I remember sitting (on the floor at Hilltop – not in chairs) in circle with blood pouring down my arm after having chopped myself up in the master bathroom of my Hilltop house…..as I sat there drenched in blood with people all around me talking about bullshit, I knew that Hilltop could never help me. The rest of the time became about confronting EVERYONE else. Raps were bullshit. Smush was where I learned about my counselor (can’t remember her name….married to Tony) let her dog eat her out. It was sick sick sick there.

  • #61 written by Karen
    about 1 year ago

    My son was at Running Springs for 2 years. He found this site and asked me to watch the videos. It is extremely painful as a parent to see this and think that I sent him there and this was his experince. I am glad that people are speaking out and exposing the “school” and the people involved. I know that I cannot begin to imagine the fear, humiliaton and confusion that my son expereinced. There is no excuse for this to have happened except to say we were all brainwashed and scammed. The parents do not live wiht the scars from it like you former students do. Thanks goodness for Astart and others (Liam) who are doing thier best to make sure more people do not have this happen to them.

    • #62 written by Greg
      about 1 year ago

      Thanks Karen for being a parent who finally admitted that they regret sending their kid to Cedu. I graduated BCA in 2001 and the scars remain heavy. Every time I see my mother I want to beat her, and every mornin I wake up before 4 am, even though the escorts wont come to get me anymore. Cedu was ran like a Japanese Camp during WWII. You are granted the illusion of freedom as long as you do what the master wants, even by betraying your own friends.

  • #63 written by Suzanne Elston
    about 1 year ago

    Hi Liam, Btw I’m Cascade School 1985-87. How was I harmed? No, I was fortunate and didn’t suffer the obvious physical abuse that seemed so rampant at CEDU. But I was truly harmed. I grew up in a home with a volitile, narccisistic mother, who was not mood stable and unreasonably rageing towards me. I still don’t get it. But off I went to Cascade, to get “fixed” And so it began…From day one it was all about the yelling, people acting out on a daily basis the extreme and scary yelling of my childhood, and as time went by I began to be unable to cope. I was put on dishes and bans and still I was unable to speak in Raps. Literally, so scared I was unable to speak. I got my “voice” back and was able to scream and yell at the imaginary shortcomings of my peers, and pretend that I was better than them, when in truth I was just as demented, lost, and fucked-up as ever
    and probably worse. I “graduated” Cascade with an admission to a college in Oregon. I had even written a great admission essay about racism in Brookyln (it was the only newspaper I had seen in months) that was sent back to me from the admissions officer, with a handwritten note, telling me how wonderfully sensitive and aware I was, and my obvious maturity would be an assest to their school (my SAT score, at Cascade was 910) So again, here we are. I don’t like being yelled at. In fact I REALLY don’t. But I went on. And I met my husband, who, suprise, suprise, yelled at me constantly! He was as nasty and awful as you can imagine, but I was so conditioned that I had no idea how horrible it truly was to be screamed at. He yelled at me because I deserved it. He yelled at me because my footsteps were too loud. He blamed me, violently and viscously, for everything that made him angry. And He hated me, and their was nothing I could do. And in all these years he screamed at me that I was a Bad Mother, that our daughter’s autism was my fault, I accepted his abuse. I didn’t know any different. Being yelled at, and enduring it, has been my very fearful stock in trade. Please, please stop yelling at me, I still have nightmares about it.

  • #64 written by Phil Mumford
    about 1 year ago

    I would love to talk to the individual putting together the documentary. I saw myself in one of the clips. There was an error in the date given. I wanted to help give some information.

  • #65 written by Heather
    about 1 year ago

    Karen.. You are a kind parent to realize this and watch the videos with an open mind. I am a graduate of 20 years ago and this still affects me… obviously.. I’m watching the documentary now when I should be sleeping. My parents for many years were too defensive to even think about what I was saying was true…Go hug your son and just let him know you love him now. My parents after 20 years are doing the same. And thank you Liam.

  • #66 written by reed
    about 1 year ago

    I was in cedu running springs around 95 till 98. Have never spoken to anyone that’s been there since I left. Most likely because I live in south carolina. I was told by my parents we were going to tour a school in cali and if I didn’t like it I could come home. I looked at it as a free trip to cali. Cool rite. Spent a day or so at lake arrowhead then went to tour cedu. After the tour I was like ok ready to go home and to large bags of clothes came out of the trunk and my parents left. I have blocked a lot of it out of my mind I guess. I remember being on tables and having to rip apart tree stumps by the main building with pick axes for hours. Also I remember the mental and verbal abuse of raps and profeets but don’t remember many details its been 14 years. But it obviosly affected me if I decided to google that hell hole 14 years later rite. Don’t really remember a lot of names I do remember a woman administrator in charge I think and a guy that would supurvise guy dorms at nite that would draw a lot of weird clowns. Remember there was a building that had a deck that u could see all the mountains and cities below. Needless to say I fell off a ledge there and was never takin to a hospital. Still can’t straghtin my arm all the way and elbow swells like 1 time a year. I remember a girl I really liked named jennifer and was put on bans with her she eneded up running away with a group of like 5 people. Remember getting restrained on the basketball courts by 3 counslers for yelling or something. Anyway would love to talk to more people that exsperinced that place.

  • #67 written by Mark Prince
    about 1 year ago

    I was in CEDU when John & Marcie were the Genisis Family Heads, Dan & Carmen were the Quest Family Heads. It was in Running Springs, Calif. Gunner Connors was there Mike Conners son. Denise Guiter was there, the daughter of Jaime the robot on maxwell smart, I dont remember the Summit family head but a dude name josua Sosa was his side kick. was anyone there when I was? Oh yeah a weird dude name david King was there, anyway I ran away after they shaved my head and made me walk around with a toilet seat around my head for what they call a sexual contract, all we did was hang out and talk about things they didnt want us to talk about like our past. And also for playing smoke on the water to Gunner on a guitar, it got a response outta him and he was totally unresponsive to anyone or any thing,i thought it was quite an accomplishment. get ahold of me dmp7777777@hotmail.com

  • #68 written by Josh
    about 1 year ago

    Dear Liam,

    This is the Best Thing that I have EVER SEEN!!! Thank you so much for being an angel of Truth, describing the unexplainable pain & horrific torture that we al had the misfortune of suffering!
    The only way that I was able to was to say it was a Hellish “Sci-Fi” novel gone horrbily wrong! My life and family have never been the3 same since…..man so many things to talk about….to much man, too much
    Btw, I had such extreme paranoia that I didn’t even start using the web until 2010 (after I had to escape from Benchmark….its where all the CEDU Brss went to to start up a
    “NEW CEDU with Loop holes”, this time for 18 -28 y/o’s w/ about 10 CEDU ppl there running it or workin there….even saw some old staff that was there for my ’96-’97@!@!@!!!!! Completely Humilating to have to go back there at29, but I was having major issues around 27 with extreme PTSD & Paranoia & Depression/ suicidal idealations. So I had to quit work &u go into therapy problem was that I was dependenton my parents, who are btw maybe The Worse Parents on The Planet….Long story tho….anyways Great solution for Depresion & PTSD (amongst a handful of other things, u knw how it can be moving from this place to that, getting ur friends and life ripped right out from underneath you with no say and probably no fault of ur own.

    So, I’ve ben homeless and possesionless(the worst part of it all) since Benchmark ie CEDU2 stepped….Lifes been HELL!!! Maybe the worst thing about these places (other than brainwashing and pyschologically damaging you for a good long time) is that it BRAINWASHES YOUR PARENTS FOR GOOD AND DESTROYS THEM, ATLEAST FOR ME NOW, FOREVER.

    I actually recovered from all this B.S. AFter H.S. Went to HYDE after Cedu…..and was so close to TRUE GREATNESS (NO JOKE) But was tough to manage with my Hisztory with my family (getting lied to, guilted & ultikmately betryed) Depression and Extreme OCD, PTSD & PARANOIA…….so things slowly stated to unravel (esp. After having mult surgeries negating my only Joy INTEENSE COMPETITION IN SPORTS)……almost got it togeter in San Diego (fyi the BEST DAMN CITY IN THE U.S.) But neded help….unfortuntely that means u ned ur parents so u can only imagine how things began to quickly unravel……so in Oct 2008 Educatikonal consultants(the scum o the earth) actually suggested the whole humiliating wldernss adventujre then CEDU/BENCHMRK humilation again…..managed to urvive without help for afull year only to succumb in 209, losing all my possesions and pictures(worst part of losing possesions) and losing my Life in S.D., which despite my own perwonal struggles was pretty friggin’ AWESOME.

    Now nothings the same. I don’t even resemble myself, and I daily barely escape the day alive, what can I say SUICIDE feels like the only way out. I’m beginning to feel pindowned like a Rape Victim, wishing for a deal trying to deal with the fact I hate wishing!

    Sorry for going on a tear, but Life is extremely Unfair,esp. When u have disorders that prevent u from greatness, that could be dealt with with the right family sujpport help and love, but are only COMPONDED WHen it turns out that ur Dad is the Devil and ur Mother…..well never mind I said too much….don’t mean to hate on my parents, I only want love and reconciliation,but its a 2way street!

    So again thank you for this wonderful gift that you’ve compiled for al of us, it really alieviatesabout a 1,000 pounds of pressure and now people can’t try and “play you” by saying that I’m th “crazy one” cuz they can’t even concieve of such a place…..

    Plz get back to me & DON’T EVER LET ANY1 Mess with or take down (saw that u already lost 1 clip, why!!??) Any of this!!

    Kep it al active &u up to date and legit and if anythingkeep on adding shit!!! You my man homeboy!!!

    Much Love & Tank you
    Another CEDU SURVIVOR ALONE, BROKE & BARELY HANGIN IN THERE.

    P.S. This & Cedu’s Wikipedia page(which u should def. Ad to this page) were the 1st 2 things I ever looked up on the web!!!! It was a truly miraculous Godsend to findthem!!!!!!

    Plz kep up the good work, cuz a lot of us survivors aren’t survivng well and nedmore things like this. And you got he brains, brawn and balls to pull it off…..keep banging!!!

  • #69 written by Scott
    about 1 year ago

    To Whom It May Concern:
    What every happened with the documentary? Was it completed is there a final version that can be seen? I went to Ascent and Hilltop Inst.

    I am so glad to see a site like this looking to find more information had not idea things like this were going on its troubling

  • #70 written by tama cooper Christian
    about 7 months ago

    Hey, I went to cedu from 79-83 l some of the worst years of my life I escaped twice the last tikme I was gone for 6 months so when I finally was faught it wAs juvenile. Hall till 18 or baci to cedu so when I got back they cut the rest of my hair my clothes. No jewelry. Music etc and also was banned froi iim everyone. Except a handfull of older sstudents. I had no contact with my family I was abandoned. Yet again I realized. If I ever want out of here I have to go along so I had to put up with grown men hugging feeling me up kissing me I can still se tim braces wet spitty kisses and john padgtt grownmen holding and cuddling. Me there were a lot of times u could feel a hRd dick against. Me its no wonde when I left I married men 10-15 years older then me I was on full-time. So much I couldn’t tell u I had sex with 2 people and was told on omg there is a lot thT went on during my stay are u still work ing on documentary. Would luv to tell my story I graduated in june of 83 and was arrested.

    3 times my first month out and whT did this wonderful. School do all my close friends. And family since thT is what is taught or brainwashed in our heads they decide tocompletly ban me from everyone. And not let me return to the graduation so there I was 18 and Alone I hAd just spent the lAst 3 yrs with All these people shared things I had never told anyone WAS TOLD I WAs loved unconditionally. Etc.. then there wAs noonec like I had the plague at A time when I neededthem the whole progrAm stabbed me in the back so before cedu I smoked pot drAnk 9maybe a pill but now I was introduced.

    To heroin and after the fitst shot I was hooked I finally found something that took the away the pAin and made me forget about the people who I shRed the most sensitive. And personal things in my life all the stff and friends that said they would be there for me to back me up where were they when I needed them most when I was homeless shooting 1000 a day my arms so bruised. I couldn’t. Move them had tracks all over my arms feet then had to use my neck anywhere I could find a vein trying to cover up the pain of once again being abandoned by the peole I luved & thought they loved me back I am 47 & this was 30 years. Ago but cedu is still in my thoughts daily. So contact me if. You would like to hear my story thanks its good to get off my chest.

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